Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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MasterTBC wrote:

POE is pay to win since you cant buy stash tabs with currency from drops

So you want GGG to pay you for playing this game, or is this some kind of sarcasm?

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

I'm holding all of the essences, most of the div cards I get, multiple jewelry sets for chaos recipe, good bases and uniques, and every sacrifice fragment I get with only four tabs. With some room to spare still.

That is just a completely ridiculous statement to make.

If 4 stash tabs are enough for you to play the game, the only possibility is that you play for an hour per day.

Just my Chaos orbs take nearly 1 full stash tabs. Rest of the currency would take another stash tab at least. Fragments completely blow this idea out of water as only my Atziri fragments take more than 1 full stash tab.

If you play PoE to any degree of seriousness, and spend several hundred hours per league on your characters. You need some stash tabs to effectively keep your valuables.

If you play PoE long term, with 100+ hours every few months, I can only reason that spending $30 to $60 on such game is not outrageous amount of money for the time you spend with game.

Also, as Phrazz has said, PoE is free to play. One might argue that it is pay to win. If one argued that I wouldn't agree but at least the argument makes some sense. The argument that PoE is not free to play really does not make sense.

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Baron01 wrote:

Just my Chaos orbs take nearly 1 full stash tabs. Rest of the currency would take another stash tab at least. Fragments completely blow this idea out of water as only my Atziri fragments take more than 1 full stash tab.

So you play in a trade league and buy all your gear, then spend the rest of the time selling stuff and hoarding currency and frags and everything else that is impossible to build up faster than you use. Obviously a casual, like yourself, is gonna have trouble with the basics of the game. Like managing your stash. This is probably your first ARPG, if it weren't you would most likely find four tabs excessive.

Wow the whole topic about something that isfalse lol

Path of exile is free to play...however if you really enjoy it and want quality of live changes to your stash, you can buy some stash tabs for 20 euro which will definatly make your experience better....

But if your SSF, or not a hardcore gamer...this is far from needed....thus its f2p....

I played wolcen for 40 hours got bored and it costed me 30 euros. The ripoff for testing a game which isnt ready for launch

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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Baron01 wrote:

Just my Chaos orbs take nearly 1 full stash tabs. Rest of the currency would take another stash tab at least. Fragments completely blow this idea out of water as only my Atziri fragments take more than 1 full stash tab.

So you play in a trade league and buy all your gear, then spend the rest of the time selling stuff and hoarding currency and frags and everything else that is impossible to build up faster than you use. Obviously a casual, like yourself, is gonna have trouble with the basics of the game. Like managing your stash. This is probably your first ARPG, if it weren't you would most likely find four tabs excessive.

/this is where facepalm ASCI art would be posted

The only part of your post that is correct is that I'm playing in trade league. I, however, do not see any relation between playing in trade league and your claim that 4 stash tabs are all you need.

I will fact check your statement a bit: the only parts correct are that I play in trade league and that I also consider myself a casual (with over 5000 hours played in PoE). Rest is wrong or complete bullshit--all my frags are 100% self found, that includes fragments, scarabs or splinters. I sold few items in this league worth few hundreds of chaos orbs (really just 2 or 3), rest is from selling stacked decks to gamblers. I estimate half of my chaos is picked up drops and all of my exalts are drops. I really hate trading so I only sell very few items that are too expensive to dump them in a tab and never come back to them.

You can be a Tetris hero and you would still need more than one stash tab for maps. Currency is another tab at least. You want to keep few good basis for crafting, add some fossils and resonators to fill another tab.

If you play PoE seriously for several hundreds of hours and you have not bought any stash tabs, you are doing yours huge disservice. I admit I'm a hoarder so my 50 or so premium tabs get filled up regularly but I'm trying to work on this problem (last time I did a big clean up of my uniques, I ended up with 80 Alchemy orbs in my inventory when all dust settled down).

I ultimately wanted to support GGG and felt that stash tabs were the most useful items to get. I would still like that GGG includes currency tab as part of its introduction pack because it is a huge quality of life improvement. I would also love if they work on more stacking of their items so people do not feel forced to buy special stash tabs.

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Baron01 wrote:

Rest is wrong or complete bullshit--all my frags are 100% self found, that includes fragments, scarabs or splinters.

You misread it, I said you buy your gear. If you didn't buy your gear you would be using all of that stuff to get better gear.

I don't know if PC has higher drop rates on currency or something, but on console you're really lucky if you get 1 chaos within a few maps. And scarabs and frags are literally 100% impossible to build up if you use them a little bit.

The only things that can be a problem on four tabs are div cards and maps. Div cards you can just throw out 90% of though because they're for uniques you'll never use. And they just buffed the hell out of map storage for people without tabs with this atlas change. You hardly need to hold onto any now, once you finish the atlas you can just hold a few from each area and the ones you like.

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Baron01 wrote:

If 4 stash tabs are enough for you to play the game, the only possibility is that you play for an hour per day.

Just my Chaos orbs take nearly 1 full stash tabs. Rest of the currency would take another stash tab at least. Fragments completely blow this idea out of water as only my Atziri fragments take more than 1 full stash tab.

If you play PoE to any degree of seriousness, and spend several hundred hours per league on your characters. You need some stash tabs to effectively keep your valuables.

If you play PoE long term, with 100+ hours every few months, I can only reason that spending $30 to $60 on such game is not outrageous amount of money for the time you spend with game.

No, he isn´t. Your perspective is distorted. All these fancy convenient specialized stashtabs have turned us into hoarders. The amount of stuff we collect and keep is absolutely insane. Like, I still have over 2000 wisdom and portal scrolls in my remove-only tab. 2000 Each! From Legion-league alone! The only reason for that is that I have a currency-page that holds 5000 in a single square without bothering me. At several points in Metamorph I had way over 1500 Chaos orbs. Never thought about it at all.

But fact of the matter is, you seriously can play this game on 4 stashtabs. All the examples of loot-overflow you provided can be worked around with a reasonable strategy. And I grant you one thing, this game absolutely showers you in all kinds of stuff and if you are a hoarder (like most of us have become) you can dump those things into your ever-expanding stash. But you dont have to.

Here is my strategy for playing PoE on 4 stashtabs:

1. You want one character per league that can do everything in the game. Delve, Atziri, HoGM, AL8, all the things. On the same gear, maybe 2 or 3 flasks or gems swapped but that´s it. Miner, trapper, summoner or sth along those lines.

2. In Act 3 at the latest you switch to a strict lootfilter. As soon as possible you buy a portal gem (if your build has no spare sockets you can use the weapon swap). Once you reach maps you switch to an UberStrict filter (hide everything below alchemy orbs, all essences except corrupted and top 3 tiers, all skillgems with no/low quality and so on). Once you switch lootfilter, throw out everything your lootfilter blocks except wisdom scrolls and a few alterations to craft endgame flasks.

3. Convert everything you can upwards. Keep 1 stack of each currency and around 100 each of chance, alch, scour, vaal, chisel. Keep about 50 chaos to keep running zana mods and trade for low stuff. Convert Chaos to Ex as soon as you have 200c. (Convert Exalts to Mirror asap.) Convert Essences as soon as you have 3 of a kind. Sell the highest tier in bulk for Exalts.

4. Don´t keep items unless they are perfect uniques, you need them yourself (as twink gear for example, in that case make a mule to store the gear) or they are godly rolled rares. Sell them immediately in tradechat at a discount or use Acquisition if it is a very valuable item (exalt+)

5. Run Atziri as soon as you have a full set. If you are accumulating too many of a given fragment, stop running corrupted areas and run the fragment to change it for a different one. Sell Uber-sets in tradechat at a discount or kill Uber yourself and immediately sell the drops or throw them away.

6. Trade Divination cards as soon as you have a set. Sell all cards that you will not 100% collect a full set of at a discount in tradechat.

7. Trade up all maps at 3:1. Only keep the highest tier of maps you can currently do. Always juice red maps to the maximum. Chisel, alch, vaal, sextants, frags, scarabs, all the time. Use them or sell them - but never ever hoard them.

It all boils down to one fact: stash space is a commodity that is worth trading for at a loss. Converting fuses to chaos and chaos to exalts is usually a loss compared to trading fusing into exalts directly. But you gain stash space and therefore it´s worth it.

And don´t get me wrong. I definitely enjoy playing with more than 100 stash tabs and I wouldn´t want to miss it. But it´s most definitely not impossible to play on 4 tabs, even if you play seriously.

Still debating the wrong thing in here.

Fact 1: CAN you experience everything this game has to offer on 4 tabs? Yes.
Fact 2: Is it "efficient"? No
Fact 3: Is it "convenient"? No.
Fact 4: Is it "competitive"? Probably not.

Fact 2, 3 and 4 MIGHT make Path of Exile P2W, but that's another debate. Fact 2, 3 and 4 do - by no means - make Path of Exile any less F2P.

Fact 5: "F2P" does not mean "free"
Fact 6: "F2P" does not mean "no P2W elements"
Fact 7: "F2P" does not mean "enjoy everything the game has to offer as if you were a paying costumer.

Whether or not it's ethical, or a "good" F2P model is irrelevant. PoE IS F2P. Get a grip, stop whining and debate from the right premises.

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Baron01 wrote:

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

I'm holding all of the essences, most of the div cards I get, multiple jewelry sets for chaos recipe, good bases and uniques, and every sacrifice fragment I get with only four tabs. With some room to spare still.

That is just a completely ridiculous statement to make.

If 4 stash tabs are enough for you to play the game, the only possibility is that you play for an hour per day.

Just my Chaos orbs take nearly 1 full stash tabs. Rest of the currency would take another stash tab at least. Fragments completely blow this idea out of water as only my Atziri fragments take more than 1 full stash tab.

If you play PoE to any degree of seriousness, and spend several hundred hours per league on your characters. You need some stash tabs to effectively keep your valuables.

If you play PoE long term, with 100+ hours every few months, I can only reason that spending $30 to $60 on such game is not outrageous amount of money for the time you spend with game.

Baron no offense but your not making sense.

Currency in PoE are crafting materials, it's entirely fine to only hold on to 100+- of each and spend the others on gear.

And if thats not your thing, since currency's are grouped in tiers of rarity you can always trade up to save space.
You would have to be daft in my opinion to hold a stash tab full of chaos when you can just keep 100 or so and convert all the others into exalts/mirrors.

You would bassicaly need 4 stash tabs filled with mirrors before your claim would make logical sense, since there is no "going up" from that.

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Peace,

-Boem-