Here's an early look at the Raider Ascendancy in Path of Exile: Blight

The onslaugh nodes are good for phys build, as it gives onslaugh + 130% of it for 2 ascendancy "levels" you can imagine sloting a sin's rebirth as you don't need silver and probably not quicksilver either. Maybe this nodes are meant to be taken with some armor or es scalling in mind as well as your evasion gets way better you may not need getting accro. That 30% more is extremly powerfull maybe with some hybrid gear you can net a very decent avoidance rate + ok mitigation combo.
If you go phasing route hower, I really believe it's more meant for ele scalling and you need phase accro.

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DarkLegionary wrote:

Question: How much flat evasion do you need to reach the cap? As in after all the flask effects / multipliers etc what number do you need for it to be capped evasion?

3 things:
New Raider Ascendancy
Jade Flask of Adrennaline (maxed)
Grace
https://pastebin.com/MWVU0VZM
EDIT: I messed up. Modifying and coming back later.
EDIT 2:

https://pastebin.com/Qz3acUiZ
Lvl 100 capped with
New Raider (Onslaught/Phasing Route)
Jade Flask of Reflexes, maxed.
Stibnite Flask
Atziri's Step
Some horribly inefficient pathing for Revenge of the Hunted, Silent Steps, and Survivalist wheel.
Level 20 Grace.

That's capped. No gear apart from Atziri's step and those 2 flasks. Level 9 passive tree. Total of 41k evasion.

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xMustard wrote:

trust me, i know, because i've played it for years. while people like you typically haven't and just spit out stuff like this.

You could even play it since the Raider came out. Go and check what I said, you will quickly realize how "good" evasion is.
Its great for normal mapping. For bosses its one of the worst kind of defense.

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Aynix wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

trust me, i know, because i've played it for years. while people like you typically haven't and just spit out stuff like this.

You could even play it since the Raider came out. Go and check what I said, you will quickly realize how "good" evasion is.
Its great for normal mapping. For bosses its one of the worst kind of defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXWlTkY0M0 (Ghosted Uber Elder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6K2yXbnb0&feature=youtu.be (Depth 821 Kurgal, Depth 869 Aul, Depth 1002 delving).

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DarkLegionary wrote:

Question: How much flat evasion do you need to reach the cap? As in after all the flask effects / multipliers etc what number do you need for it to be capped evasion?

You don´t really need much with the passive and Blind. Around 10-15K (unless there are some bosses with high accuracy)
ES Evasion build is possible here. The node is a bit broken imo.

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Aynix wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

trust me, i know, because i've played it for years. while people like you typically haven't and just spit out stuff like this.

You could even play it since the Raider came out. Go and check what I said, you will quickly realize how "good" evasion is.
Its great for normal mapping. For bosses its one of the worst kind of defense.

If you have 50-60% Evasion it´s more or less lottery but not with 95% Evasion (real avoidance might go higher than that)

You´re nearly "immune" to any attack with minimum investment and you can concentrate on DPS unless you play HC.
Strong spells (especially phys) or DoT might be a problem but adding spell dodge, physical mitigation and decent recovery might help.
It should be even possible to go decent Armor/Eva hybrid.

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KnightAgenta wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

trust me, i know, because i've played it for years. while people like you typically haven't and just spit out stuff like this.

You could even play it since the Raider came out. Go and check what I said, you will quickly realize how "good" evasion is.
Its great for normal mapping. For bosses its one of the worst kind of defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXWlTkY0M0 (Ghosted Uber Elder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6K2yXbnb0&feature=youtu.be (Depth 821 Kurgal, Depth 869 Aul, Depth 1002 delving).

So I watched those and what I see? You still try to manually dodge every single hit possible and the ones that you cant almost always hit you. Where is that "OP 97% evade chance"?

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KnightAgenta wrote:

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DarkLegionary wrote:

Question: How much flat evasion do you need to reach the cap? As in after all the flask effects / multipliers etc what number do you need for it to be capped evasion?

3 things:
New Raider Ascendancy
Jade Flask of Adrennaline (maxed)
Grace
https://pastebin.com/MWVU0VZM
EDIT: I messed up. Modifying and coming back later.
EDIT 2:

https://pastebin.com/Qz3acUiZ
Lvl 100 capped with
New Raider (Onslaught/Phasing Route)
Jade Flask of Reflexes, maxed.
Stibnite Flask
Atziri's Step
Some horribly inefficient pathing for Revenge of the Hunted, Silent Steps, and Survivalist wheel.
Level 20 Grace.

That's capped. No gear apart from Atziri's step and those 2 flasks. Level 9 passive tree. Total of 41k evasion.

don't forget blind.
with the new ascendancy you should essentially only need blind, jade flask of reflexes, and onslaught. that is IT.

here is a pob to my raider in standard. i had to fill in the tree because i need to respec her, but i kinda forget exactly what the tree was. i took off my atziri step boots and only have 283 flat evasion gloves, blind, jade flask of reflexes and onslaught and am sitting at 94% evade chance. 92% vs boss, 90% vs shaper.

so its very easy to evade cap

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xMustard wrote:

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Kazewokiru wrote:

So basically they made onslaught path a little more viable. 46% Increased attack/cast speed. 54% (64% with avatar of the veil) Increased movement speed. 50% increased attack damage during onslaught and Exposure, still feels slightly underwhelming.

the reason to go chase path, or even raider at all, is to get massive evasion. evasion cap (95%) to be precise. if you're playing raider and not doing this you're completely doing it wrong. to glance over this aspect is....pretty shortsighted to say the least.

raider never was the best damage or attack speed. she is very lacking in any damage boost especially compared to the recent ascendancy reworks.

what makes me think this is terrible for raider is the idea that this 'bandaid' number adjustment could postpone a proper rework. the thought makes me hurt on the insides

I'm only stating most of the new changes, I should have stated this earlier (My mistake). Yes getting evasion capped on Raider was always easy, but it's also pretty easy to do this with pathfinder. So where does this lie in making the ascendancy unique? The fact Raider was never really in contention for damage was because she never had it.

I agree with you that the numbers rework is a band aid solution, which is why I mention Blitz charges. The concept of more attacks speed would be gladly welcomed for Raiders. At least then it could begin to have its own identity and not just a generic mish-mash of points.

Is that all? Really? Hmm did expect bit MORE;)
But small buff is still still better than nerf I guess;)

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KnightAgenta wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

trust me, i know, because i've played it for years. while people like you typically haven't and just spit out stuff like this.

You could even play it since the Raider came out. Go and check what I said, you will quickly realize how "good" evasion is.
Its great for normal mapping. For bosses its one of the worst kind of defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmXWlTkY0M0 (Ghosted Uber Elder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6K2yXbnb0&feature=youtu.be (Depth 821 Kurgal, Depth 869 Aul, Depth 1002 delving).

I think evade is great, but if you think this is proof that it is you need to actually think about the build that is being presented to you as strong.