CI and stun

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Moosifer wrote:
I give up. Give the baby his baba, he won't be happy until he's OP. GGG I tap, just bend to their will.


FUCK OFF
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Skyfruit wrote:
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Moosifer wrote:
I give up. Give the baby his baba, he won't be happy until he's OP. GGG I tap, just bend to their will.


FUCK OFF


Sorry. I'll talk to Chris to make sure the change goes in quickly.
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Moosifer wrote:
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Skyfruit wrote:
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Moosifer wrote:
I give up. Give the baby his baba, he won't be happy until he's OP. GGG I tap, just bend to their will.


FUCK OFF


Sorry. I'll talk to Chris to make sure the change goes in quickly.


You know what, i will talk to chris as well.
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raz0r_boy wrote:

Thank you for your extensive post on something we (or atleast I was) well aware of..it's good to see that people know about the mechanics thread, aslo a reason to why i keep it in my sig.

The fact that you can get stunlocked by taking CI, is..well, yet again a known fact...
I'm not really sure what the point of your post is..? to state that life is better for handeling stuns? newsflash, it's been stated numerous times....

But you're doing the exact same thing as everyone else before you in this thread, compairing it to life, wanting it to act as life..and here's where we disagree..

IF we would have CI behave like life, it would be basically chaos free "life"...
IF CI didn't have the stated drawbacks, there would be absolutely no incentive for ANYONE to take life over CI..since that's what we'd have..

and since life has SO many advantages over CI, the what are you arguing about? USE LIFE?? = problem solved.


Exactly my point, i'd even delete CI keystone at this point, why waste a precious keystone slot on the skilltree. Let's put something else more useful that could be used by several builds.
Here is m message to chris. I have nothing to hide from anybody, maybe only you with your non stop nonsense.

Message
Abuse in forums
Sent: March 24, 2013 1:16 PM
From: Skyfruit
To: Chris
Bcc:

Hello, i have been abused in beta feedback forum by person: Moosifer. He has been very unreasonable in 'CI and stuns' feedback thread. I believe he and razorboy are trolling this thread to unacceptable levels. That shouldn't be tolerated.
As for my own actions, i am not a robot, and i can sometimes loose my own control, but for a very good reason.

I think something should be done about Moosifer, i have seen him trolling in bunch other forum posts as well.

Thank you very much.
Man I just told razor I hope I get put on probation so I don't have to deal with this anymore, maybe it will come true.

I've given a plethora of reasons it works the way it does, ways to get around it and explained how CI is already powerful enough with it's only major drawback in the end being an inability to use flasks for EHP recovery, dealing with stun (without help) and status ailments.

If you refuse to listen to any of it and consider what I'm doing as trolling so be it, I just don't care. You literally will not listen to anything that disagrees with your POV as rather than engaging in the conversation you just repeat yourself as if we don't understand.
Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th
Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063
Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856
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sanleon wrote:
The point is people want to have 10k ES with no stuns or something :S

If you dont like stuns ----------> Go life and stfu. Or use chayula which is sick amu


This post is fun


The point is people want have 7k life and 20k armour with no stuns/freezes/chills/burns/shocks or something, and they have it NOW.
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Skyfruit wrote:
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sanleon wrote:
The point is people want to have 10k ES with no stuns or something :S

If you dont like stuns ----------> Go life and stfu. Or use chayula which is sick amu


This post is fun


The point is people want have 7k life and 20k armour with no stuns/freezes/chills/burns/shocks or something, and they have it NOW.


7k life requires a very rare unique or an extreme passive investment. You can get 10k ES while still being a "glass cannon" tree wise. No 7k life/20k armor build would be considered remotely glass cannon on their tree, even with kaoms.
Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th
Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063
Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856
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Moosifer wrote:
Man I just told razor I hope I get put on probation so I don't have to deal with this anymore, maybe it will come true.

I've given a plethora of reasons it works the way it does, ways to get around it and explained how CI is already powerful enough with it's only major drawback in the end being an inability to use flasks for EHP recovery, dealing with stun (without help) and status ailments.

If you refuse to listen to any of it and consider what I'm doing as trolling so be it, I just don't care. You literally will not listen to anything that disagrees with your POV as rather than engaging in the conversation you just repeat yourself as if we don't understand.


There is a lot of reasons why people make life stack builds so much. What's the statistics of of high level player builds? How many of them use life stacked builds? I bet they are the majority. So why CI shouldn't be balanced? Low life builds, just got new unique chest which is good, but centered around single item, it should be more i would say. why GGG made chaos resist items so available to stack up + life stack build = CI concept useless.

As about you, i have nothing against personally, i have plenty againsts on your trolling though.
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Moosifer wrote:
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Skyfruit wrote:
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sanleon wrote:
The point is people want to have 10k ES with no stuns or something :S

If you dont like stuns ----------> Go life and stfu. Or use chayula which is sick amu


This post is fun


The point is people want have 7k life and 20k armour with no stuns/freezes/chills/burns/shocks or something, and they have it NOW.


7k life requires a very rare unique or an extreme passive investment. You can get 10k ES while still being a "glass cannon" tree wise. No 7k life/20k armor build would be considered remotely glass cannon on their tree, even with kaoms.


The reason why it's a "glass cannon" in terms of passive usage is that there's way fewer ES nodes and they're very far from each other. Look at Body & Soul and Nullification: they're on the opposite sides of the tree. You need over 16 passive points to get from one of those to the other.

But I think the stun problem isn't as big as people make it out to be: you can get a Chayula (and you should) or Unwavering Stance, not to mention that ES gives you a 50% chance to avoid stuns. The problem I think with CI is status ailments: Burn is okay, Freeze is KIND OF okay because you're going to use a dream fragments but Shock and Chill are not that okay.

Shock and Chill essentially mean you're not really going to play CI as a melee.

PS: You need two uniques to do a CI build properly (usually): Chayula and Dream Fragments, so I see that your point about a Kaom's is pretty moot.
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