CI and stun

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Necrogue wrote:

Everyone knows about the uniques. We are not posting here to get advice from some dweebs that think they know about a game. We are posting to let the devs know what we think, so quit stroking your egos over a game forum thread and get a life.

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Necrogue wrote:

Everyone knows about the uniques. We are not posting here to get advice from some dweebs that think they know about a game. We are posting to let the devs know what we think, so quit stroking your egos over a game forum thread and get a life.

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Skyfruit wrote:

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Moosifer wrote:

But no one cares about your opinion in a vacuum. Basically what you are saying is what you have to say is more important than anything that's been said in this thread. If you have a unique take on it then so be it, but you said something that has literally been said at least 10-20 times adding nothing to the conversation.

If you have the right to give feedback I have the right to call you lazy and ignore you.

I do care about his opnion, i bet a lot of other people as well care very much.

As for: "If you have the right to give feedback I have the right to call you lazy and ignore you." well obviosly you are not ignoring him since you and the other one - razorboy were trolling this thread for more than 20 pages now. You should have really wrote:

- If you have the right to give feedback I have the right to troll you and this thread into endless bullshit because i am very biased against anything CI and i am always right and my opinion is the most important in this forum, i know the best balance for everything in the game.

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sanleon wrote:

but. what the hell is stun? never happened to me

Spoiler

lol

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Skyfruit wrote:

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raz0r_boy wrote:

Except the fact that both Moosifer and I provide, both provide the one thing you don't...facts..
And solutions, and correct anwers..
Claiming that something is a bug simply because of the fact that you lack either the will, understanding or comperhension of the game in order to do a correct CI build like many of us have done, is nothing less than blatantly ignorant and selfish..
Calling us trolls? give me a break..
You wan't do discuss the concept of giving feedback? Talk to Moosifer..he can teach you a thing or two.

Facts? What facts have you or moosifer wrote in this entire thread? None, just load of bullshit. I will give facts:

From mechanics thread:
The formula used for determining whether or not a stun occurs is:
stun_chance = 200 * damage / defender_effective_max_life

So if you have 500 life under CI you get hit for 200 physical you get 80% chance to get stunned, take it by half of ES 50% reduced chance to get stunned and you get 40% chance to get stunned over all.
stun_chance = 200 * 200 / 500
stun chance = 40000 / 500
stun chance = 80
apply ES 50% reduction = 40%

If you take similar level life char who will have let's say 3000 life (conservative amount as i have seen) and 6000 armour with Grace and Determination (its like discipline on CI char, everybody use it) and without granites you will get:
reduction = armour / (armour + 12*damage)
reduction = 6000 / (6000 + 12*200)
0.71 reduction which is 71% taken away out of 200, and you get 35 physical dmg applied to your life. Than:
The formula used for determining whether or not a stun occurs is:

stun_chance = 200 * damage / defender_effective_max_life
stun_chance = 200 * 35 / 3000
stun chance = 2.33%
and if you have at least 1 ES than everything will be halfed.

Everybody - do you fucking read the difference between chance to get stunned for life build - 2.33% and CI build - 40%.

LIFE - 2.33%
CI - 40%

Now razorboy and moosif: DO YOU FUCKING READ IT?

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This is based on 200 physical. Chance to get stuned increases as the dmg increase. 200 is not that much in merciless. You can get it from most simple white archer mobs, crabs shooting from their arses, archers, melee hiters, you name it. CI can use granites and so life builds. Because granites multiply when added, CI builds can get armour into 10k, but life builds can get into 20k or 30k or more. Granites only work in very good timing which is the same for CI or life builds. Personally i don't use granites that much, its very limiting.

Example on CI FP witch and life stacked FP templar:

Now CI builds 1) take the physical dmg they get into ES shield, loose ES nad 2) get stunned so they can't retaliate. Stun lock = death.

Life builds 1) take little dmg into life pool and 2) Are free to fucking machine gun everybody because they are not interrupted. Life stack = no stun locks, more hit points, no freezes, chills, burns.

So if you tell me that CI is ok, and stun locks are 'drawback' than you should get head examined or you are fucking troll.