CI and stun

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thepmrc wrote:

2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments

Stop kidding yourself, this isn't a solution and no one does it. The amount of health a CI user would have to stack to have any meaningful impact in reducing status ailments would kill the point of going CI in the first place

At endgame, if your hidden life is around 600-1k (perfectly normal for a CI character) and you try to buff that to 1.5k (I am being really generous, getting 500 hp through your gear when you are still focusing on CI is incredibly difficult since you wont have many %life increase mods on the tree), would probably reduce status effects from the conventional hard hitting mob by like 0.3-0.5 seconds

In other words, its pointless and a stupid idea, stop trying to claim its a legitimate way to combat CI's weakness's. Maybe if a new unique/keystone comes out it may be, but that isn't the case.

No one does this, its utterly retarded for the reasons I stated above. The amount of health you need to combat status ailments to a decent effect is the same amount of health an almost pure tank maraduer/template would have, and you aren't going to be using CI at all if you have that much health

Get these two items and get over with.


Dream frag also apply, but it's expensive.

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deteego wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments

Stop kidding yourself, this isn't a solution and no one does it. The amount of health a CI user would have to stack to have any meaningful impact in reducing status ailments would kill the point of going CI in the first place

At endgame, if your hidden life is around 600-1k (perfectly normal for a CI character) and you try to buff that to 1.5k (I am being really generous, getting 500 hp through your gear when you are still focusing on CI is incredibly difficult since you wont have many %life increase mods on the tree), would probably reduce status effects from the conventional hard hitting mob by like 0.3-0.5 seconds

In other words, its pointless and a stupid idea, stop trying to claim its a legitimate way to combat CI's weakness's. Maybe if a new unique/keystone comes out it may be, but that isn't the case.

No one does this, its utterly retarded for the reasons I stated above. The amount of health you need to combat status ailments to a decent effect is the same amount of health an almost pure tank maraduer/template would have, and you aren't going to be using CI at all if you have that much health

Maybe now people stop saying shit like "pick life nodes" lol. Totally agree

Plus flat life is a preffix, and with that you cant roll so much ES

this shit storm still going?

HC witch perspective

Pros
Immune to chaos, low chance to be 1 shot crit.
(feel free to build on this list i even added 1 since my original post in here)

Cons
CI useless until geared
once geared we are still forced to use 1 shit unique (maybe more dependent on passives)
less ways to Regen our survival pool even after spending many talent points

honestly at ^this point id say CI gives a slight benefit, that's until you consider:

Misc
Chaos resist is not hard to stack in comparison to the gear required to make CI viable (both are about the same)
there is now a unique armour which makes CI rather pointless.
Once geared CI is on par with life builds

pretty sure this was all covered before page 9, but really the problem with CI is that; CI is not viable before you are geared, by that point why would u use CI instead of getting the Unique chest and just going a low life build.

im sure this isn't so noticeable in the default league, but in the HC league gear still isnt readily available, not unless you want to pay and arm and leg... CI is a much harder build to create compared to +life, It little to no pay off once both are geared equally. why would one really want to pain them self so much to go CI when this is the case, and then they go ahead and add that chest that makes lowlife builds pretty much the best option for anyone considering CI.

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Srafty wrote:

CI is a much harder build to create compared to +life, It little to no pay off once both are geared equally. why would one really want to pain them self so much to go CI when this is the case, and then they go ahead and add that chest that makes lowlife builds pretty much the best option for anyone considering CI.

that's the point.

CI is in my opinion a keystone that is viable only through mid-high game.

When u reach Endgame, and you see that with the same amount of orbs that you need to acquire
strong ES items, you could acquire an unique and respec your build to a righteous fire, pain attunement + Shavronne wrappings + Some chaos resist on items, and having a build 500%
more efficient damage wise, there is really no comparison.

Also at endgame going Life+Armor+Es is cheaper and more efficient than going pure ES + CI.


it seems a contradiction but CI is the Chaos resist of Poor People.
When you are rich enough there are no reason to use CI apart some very very very rare build.
Best thing would be adding supports that need Full life (for spells), that would
add a good reason to endure the handicaps of being full ES.

Bump. This is ridiculous. Constant stun is not a trade off. Why would stun be based on life only and not all hit points in general? If a chance to not be stunned is given with es then why is it a fixed amount and not based on es points. Also don't base the decision to fix a mechanics issue on what some of the people in this thread are saying.

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If you stacked only armor and no life it would come with the same drawbacks.

Using armor gives damage mitigation witch gives a much better chance of putting hits below the stun threshold.

Getting stunned constantly is not a tradeoff for higher dps, because you can't attack while being stunned. Most game play in poe is taking on large groups of mobs, if stun is base on life (an attribute that ci is not based on) then that means constant stun even with mobs that don't hit hard. That would be like stun based on evasion and telling armor builds to deal with it because they chose extra protection.

Elemental status ailments... WHY would they be based on life and not on elemental resists???

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Srafty wrote:

there is now a unique armour which makes CI rather pointless.

This is how I know these forums are full of scrubs.

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Necrogue wrote:

Elemental status ailments... WHY would they be based on life and not on elemental resists???

Stun I feel should be based on life. But this is valid.

I know it's just a game but lets think about it from a realistic perspective. If I had a powerful force-field around me would I be like "oh ugh ouch ooh" from every little rock that a gang of chimps were throwing at me? I'm not saying I should be invincible just able to fight back.

Edit: even with stun recovery at 70% (45 form flask) I still get "stun locked" by the topless tentacle machine gun women.

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Necrogue wrote:

If I had a powerful force-field around me would I be like "oh ugh ouch ooh" from every little rock that a gang of chimps were throwing at me?

Let's say you are in a car, bulked down and everything. Suddenly zombies show up and start smashing windows. Would you scream?