Aura Bots Need to be Nerfed HARD or Timers Gotta Go

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I think the price fixing is the problem rather than the expedited clear/efficiency you get from grouping.

I don't really care that people that group go faster but the base price for any league related currency items is tied to the groups that buy them all not the regular players, and that is a problem.

At least in this league the jewels are the real reward and are also very hard to sell efficiently which somewhat limits them.

In player driven economies, you will always have this issue. Back in the day when I poopsocked EverQuest, my guild would lock down certain camps with high value items 24/7 with a rotation of players and we dictated the prices of many items on the server.

What options are there besides going the Diablo III route and completely killing off the player economy?

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I think the price fixing is the problem rather than the expedited clear/efficiency you get from grouping.

I don't really care that people that group go faster but the base price for any league related currency items is tied to the groups that buy them all not the regular players, and that is a problem.

At least in this league the jewels are the real reward and are also very hard to sell efficiently which somewhat limits them.

In player driven economies, you will always have this issue. Back in the day when I poopsocked EverQuest, my guild would lock down certain camps with high value items 24/7 with a rotation of players and we dictated the prices of many items on the server.

What options are there besides going the Diablo III route and completely killing off the player economy?

The other option would be an expanded vendor for common currency items. This way there is a ceiling and rough estimates for pricing currency.

So basically at a minimum add chaos, regals, divines, chisels(or adjust at Zana permanently), and exalts to the vendor at set exchange rates.

Make it easy to trade and regular players will compete, they don't have to be good at it it just shouldn't be a walk in the park because nobody can be bothered.

Its like this, there are plenty of players with characters developed enough to full clear 5 banjos rumble but they don't because buying the components is a total waste of time solo.

Fix that and the prices will rise which benefits the plebs selling them and the cut full groups are taking diminishes as does their capability to price fix the unique rewards at the end.

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codetaku wrote:

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GhettoJesus wrote:

Also your account lacks legion character. I've seen your comments before seems like you've stopped caring about the game and only to troll the forum. 340+ pages of forum posts on character profile somewhat leads me to believe so.

I have a level 92 trickster in legion. How would I even have 15 challenges without a legion character? You need new eyes.

Edit: Also, even if you have made it past 85, you've definitely never made it to 90. Know how I know? There's this achievement called "Diminishing Returns". You don't have it.

Here's another sampling of achievements you don't have:
Shaper of Worlds (shaper)
Ruler of the Court (pale council)
Breachlord (ANY breachlord)
Sacrifice of the Vaal (uber atziri)
Master or even Journeyman Cartographer (complete all red or all yellow maps on the atlas)
Beyond Death (Abaxoth)
Releaser of Souls (core map boss)

These are all things you have NEVER done, on your entire account.

The one who doesn't play this game is you.

Again cherry picking nonsense. Your a mad forum troll mate, i said this account predates achievements, i nuke my standard characters all the time, something people actually playing the game rather then trolling the forums would know. Also mentioned other accounts like steam etc. I hope you have one as well cuz your list of characters isn't exactly above trash. Mate your also lacking plenty of achievements if that's what your all about.

No defence of yourself and your trollish attitude towards peeps that are merely contributing. Either you agree with the OP or you agree with the facts. Don't go around sniping peoples account details then get wounded when i read you've got 340+ pages (mostly consisting of trash comments) of posts under your account. Utter troll.

Again. 8 days ago you posted Life regen too op nonsense. 75% reduction for 5 seconds per pulse on frost bomb, a debuff that stays if you weapon swap. I won't go into detail but your posts are trash and your knowledge of the game base is either lacking or you just want to troll the devs/community.

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GhettoJesus wrote:

i said this account predates achievements

So is your argument that your only level 90+ character "predates achievements"? Because I assure you, uber atziri does not "predate achievements". Yellow and red maps do not "predate achievements". If you had done any of those things since they were implemented, you would have the achievements. You basically don't play this game at all, anymore. Maybe you hit level 95 back in closed beta, who knows! The fact is, you know nothing of the game anymore, and it's embarrassing that you think you can lecture people on optimality.

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Anomaly33 wrote:

It really sucks not being able to do Legion end game content (while consistently turning a profit) because of all people who play 24/7 jacking up emblem prices due to how stupidly fast they can clear waves with their headhunters and aura slaves to enable them.

"git gud"

yeah yeah I understand that this isn't a particularly casual friendly game, but still it's probably not great to have the most juicy parts of a league be so exclusionary. I'd prefer if they just stop slapping timers on everything. It will ALWAYS be more profitable to clear content faster in PoE so why do we need timers to put more speed pressure on us? It's fine if people in groups make more currency by clearing faster, but they shouldn't make more currency for the same total investment.

Original post for those who might have gotten off topic.

Anomaly, if I understand, you have two different arguments here. A. Aura bots are dumb, and B. Content shouldn't just be timed or exclusive to the people who play this game like a job.

To A, I say meh. I've played around with aura bots and helped friends achieve absolutely ridiculous numbers, just for the fun of it. I really don't think aura bots are any more broken at higher levels of play than any other builds, but I can see your point that one aura bot makes 5 buzz saws into supreme Gods. Trading is what you're truly complaining about though, not the game itself, and GGG tries to keep the trading system at arms length so nerfing aurabots because they're ruining the trade system probably isn't going to happen. The developers also make the emblems on the premise you go find them yourself, so in that regard, they probably really don't care what people sell them for.

To B, again, I'm pretty neutral on this issue. Farmers gonna farm. The timers are DPS checks to up the stress for lower powered players. As long as someone playing solo isn't actually excluded from content, like say, you can't find a mirror without at least two people in a party, I think it's fine.

You guys digging through people's profiles to find anything possible to talk crap about is exactly why mine is set to private. Just as bad as a couple of my ex-girlfriends trying to stalk me on Facebook back when I used it.

To be fair, I'd expect anyone attempting to diagnose problems with the endgame content to have at least some experience with it, as much as I'd expect a doctor to have gone to med school.

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lolbreeze wrote:

To be fair, I'd expect anyone attempting to diagnose problems with the endgame content to have at least some experience with it, as much as I'd expect a doctor to have gone to med school.

*Thank* you. It didn't take much "digging" at all to see that GhettoJesus has absolutely no experience at all with modern endgame grinding.

"endgame"

gated by price fixers or RNG.

best endgame.

anyway.. why it's important? this is only very relevant if you're choosing to be competitive to a high level.

dealing with the non sense of desync visuals this league has is a fair trade for more loot.
Then again you're right, it's always best to have leeches "MUH PIXXELS YOUR EXP" and they havent done anything to it yet because it would seems they want that and they want the timers otherwise if they removed the timers those that can get any option to do it with timer will always prevail against someone with not no timers since the game is all about efficiency..