Spectre chest insanity.

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Shieldbreaker wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

what in the actual...?

not only did i make a thread for it, but i linked it IN THIS VERY THREAD.

You keep providing 0 proof for any of your claims and asking for proof from me. I am done trying to argue with you when you can't even be civil, or provide any proof, any numbers, anything besides accusations.

I hope your next forum ban is permanent.

...you JUST accused me of 3 things... with zero citations.

i just typed a gigantic response full of facts and evidence. ie: "proof." it was evaded and you chose the above to inexplicably quote. (edit: i'll requote it, jussssssst in case you somehow were unable to see it...) *

maybe if you keep reporting every post of mine (instead of actually retorting anything, apparently), you'll get your wish eventually. it seems to be what you've been trying.


edit 2: wow. the bumpquote (was the next post) was removed within a couple minutes! proven right again, apparently. le sigh.

* see gigantipost on page 14.

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robmafia wrote:

for the umpteenth time, the game isn't balanced around ssf.

source: chris.

the game is balanced around trading.

Ok.......? I don't play or care about SSF nor did it have anything to do with what i was saying.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

If you've read the majority of my posts, I highlight that a TEAM of people could work for an entire league and never find a base with this mod, My argument is for only increasing the availability enough that it is possible through this massive dedication be it solo or with a group to actually get a base, Not necessarily be able to farm until i get the exact base i want.

Now is this unreasonable? I really don't think so.

There are plenty of people who go for objectives solo in trade leagues, You know, almost all of them, Only a small percentage regularly participate with guilds and regular or even static party play.

From a long time spectre summoner player:

4 spectres is absolutely not mandatory. However, if there exists a body armour with enough defences and +1 spectre, every spectre summoner will use it. Vis Mortis is absolute trash due to no flat life/low es and its offencive bonuses (unholy might and 15% minoin damage) are almost nothing compared to just +1 spectre. Top 3 spectres (IMO solaris guards, CFE and tukohama vanguards) have enough damage for you to just use 3 of them.

Thus, I think that +1 spectre rare armour should stay insanely rare. But current state is beyond absurd. It is the single hardest item ingame to aquire (probably including shaped uniques), because it is not targetfarmable (like hh), craftable (like dex stacking bows or 1000+ es chests) or even chancable (even skyforth, which is not targetfarmable, could be chanced with approximately 12-15K chances). In addition, it's extremely difficult to craft afterwards. Yes, it's a big upgrade and definetely not needed, but it doesn't create such powercreep to be that insane to aquire. For example, maximum es on multimoded vaal regalia with +1 spectre is 515 which is only around 120 more than perfect Vis Mortis. And crafted life on body armour couldn't exceed 113 (with no curse as a prefix, 85 with such). Addind that resists will not exceed a total of 80, we could summarize that an upgrade over Vis Mortis is nothing too impressive for the perfect endgame item (compare to whatever endgame op shaper opal rings, dex stacking bows, insane es chests, melee body armours and ridiculous weapons)

In my opinion there are 2 possible solutions for this situation:
1) Buff Vis Mortis. Add like 50-70 life roll to it. This will make es and life gaps from rare chest almost equal and not as huge as they are atm.
2) Make delve node always drop rare chest with +1 spectre. It will become similar to rare fossil nodes. There still will be rng in getting one of those nodes in delve and in gaining decent base with resonable stats. However, everyone will know that such node is rewarding and there will be much more of those bases on the market.

P.S. This post is not about general powercreep in the game or a powerlevel of certain build/affix/item. Stop making pages of irrelevant discussion, even if such chests would give 100 additional spectres, nothing in poe should be that unaccessable and rng based

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Ok.......? I don't play or care about SSF nor did it have anything to do with what i was saying.

...it had literally EVERYTHING to do with what you were saying. your complaint was that you didn't get it to DROP. hence, ssf. hence, game balanced around trade. hence, you can trade for one.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

There are plenty of people who go for objectives solo in trade leagues, You know, almost all of them, Only a small percentage regularly participate with guilds and regular or even static party play.

...ok? and? are you suggesting that these people can not trade? because i have no idea why you're typing the above... and i'm not sure you know, either.

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Veerdna wrote:

P.S. This post is not about general powercreep in the game or a powerlevel of certain build/affix/item. Stop making pages of irrelevant discussion, even if such chests would give 100 additional spectres, nothing in poe should be that unaccessable and rng based

you heard it here, folks. legacy kaom's should be more accessible than rare spectre chestpieces. and +100 spectre chestpieces should be easier to attain than this, apparently. WAT

and the post wasn't about general powercreep - it was about specific power creep. which...

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robmafia wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Ok.......? I don't play or care about SSF nor did it have anything to do with what i was saying.

...it had literally EVERYTHING to do with what you were saying. your complaint was that you didn't get it to DROP. hence, ssf. hence, game balanced around trade. hence, you can trade for one.

If i had meant SSF i would have put SSF/Solo Self Found.

...ok, and?

the game's still balanced around trade and you can still trade for one. you can call it ssf or g(roup)sf or p(arty)sf or whatever, it's the same difference and still retorted by previous posts and the fact that game is balanced around trading.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Ok.......? I don't play or care about SSF nor did it have anything to do with what i was saying.

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robmafia wrote:

...it had literally EVERYTHING to do with what you were saying. your complaint was that you didn't get it to DROP. hence, ssf. hence, game balanced around trade. hence, you can trade for one.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

If i had meant SSF i would have put SSF/Solo Self Found.

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robmafia wrote:

...ok, and?

the game's still balanced around trade and you can still trade for one. you can call it ssf or g(roup)sf or p(arty)sf or whatever, it's the same difference and still retorted by previous posts and the fact that game is balanced around trading.

If i had meant SSF i would have said SSF/Solo Self found, How is this complicated?

the game is balanced around TRADE. how is this complicated?

you keep talking about YOUR DROPS as a measure of balance.. and "solo." how is this complicated?

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There are plenty of people who go for objectives solo

My argument is for only increasing the availability enough that it is possible through this massive dedication be it solo or with a group to actually get a base, Not necessarily be able to farm until i get the exact base i want.

You can farm for an entire league and never get

so that a summoner could have 4 spectres without the vis mortis without jumping through hoops that honestly you could do for an ENTIRE LEAGUE and never stand a chance at actually finding this item.

etc and etc.

and yet, there are hundreds on poe.trade.

fact: your complaints are based on finding it... and generally solo. hence, why i mentioned ssf.

fact: THE GAME IS BALANCED AROUND TRADE
fact: there are 259 of these listed on legion right now

Shieldbreaker: To be fair robmafia does have a thread discussing power creep.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2248351

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robmafia wrote:

you keep talking about YOUR DROPS as a measure of balance.. and "solo." how is this complicated?

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SilentSymphony wrote:

If you've read the majority of my posts, I highlight that a TEAM of people could work for an entire league and never find a base with this mod

I don't understand why i have to quote myself repeatedly to get across a point i made near the beginning of this thread.