Diablo 4 Would Kill Path of Exile

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Destructodave wrote:

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Honest truth is probably the genre is garbage. There is a reason we still talk about playing D3 and PoE which released in what? 2011-2012? The resources devoted to pleasing this niche playerbase is probably better spent making more hearthstone cards, wow xpacs, and games like Overwatch, and yes, even breaking into mobile games. An expac would probably sell, but not like something in those genre's and platforms, would. For all the shit people talk about Diablo Immortal, theres a pretty strong chance it brings in way more money than a PC version.

To me, this kind of game is sort of like RTS's at this point. Its not a completely dying genre, but I wouldn't consider it mainstream anymore, and Blizzard is a mainstream company.

Blizzard is not mainstream company. This company is very efficient with making money. They deliver quality products which people like. They not always were massive company which earn hundreds of millions USD. Development of Blizzard was effect of hard work and right commercial decisions. They grown so big because they were able to understand what will make their clients happy and what will therefore sell well.
Look at the Hearthstone - there was only a few people team assigned to develop this game - now it is the best in class and earn 400 mln. USD per annum. Collectible card games were not mainstream, they almost did not exist on the computer games market in 2014 once Hearthstone was released.

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Destructodave wrote:

As much as most of you might have hated D3, it did not fail. Nor did its expansion, which if D3 was such a crapfest, it should have failed. It did not. Sold something like 10-20 million copies did it not?

At least half of those were Blizzard Fanbois who would buy every game Blizzard made because (to that point) every game they made was good. They got burned on Diablo 3 and it wont work anymore.

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Aynix wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

As much as most of you might have hated D3, it did not fail. Nor did its expansion, which if D3 was such a crapfest, it should have failed. It did not. Sold something like 10-20 million copies did it not?

At least half of those were Blizzard Fanbois who would buy every game Blizzard made because (to that point) every game they made was good. They got burned on Diablo 3 and it wont work anymore.

Then why did the expac sell? If people got burned on D3? They went back and got burned again?

You guys just hate D3. Good for you. It doesn't change the fact the game sold millions of copies and was a success.

I dont know why you think your opinion of a game is fact. Thats the thing that I have never understood about some gamers. So you hated D3, therefore it must be a shit game. Anyone who bought it was just fanboys. Anyone who bought the Xpac were just fanboys, because since you considered it a shit game, it must be a shit game and there is no way anyone could actually LIKE the game.

I'll never understand that sentiment some gamers have. Its like the people who continually say WoW is dying mainly because they themselves quit the game, and if they aren't playing it anymore, it must be dying. Meanwhile it keeps chugging along selling millions of Xpacs every 1-2 years.

There are probably as many people, possibly even more considering it is a Blizzard game, who prefer D3's gameplay to PoE. PoE is, infact, the niche game. We like PoE, that doesn't necessarily make it more successful or overall better than D3. Maybe to us, but we aren't everyone. Every single person who enjoys D3 isn't a fanboy. Considering D3 caters to a much larger playerbase, I would venture to bet more of those people consider PoE a trash game than the ones here who consider D3 a trash game. Who's right? You? Them?

PoE has one caveat going for it, and that its F2p, and constantly releases content, keeping it fresh for years later, where D3's business model is not like that.

Are you kidding me? Blizzard are corporation driven by profit. So they didn't make that expansion because it happens? Bullshit, they didn't make it because they saw the numbers decline. Cant argue the numbers? Well, they obviously didn't like them, what else is there it argue about?

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Are you kidding me? Blizzard are corporation driven by profit. So they didn't make that expansion because it happens? Bullshit, they didn't make it because they saw the numbers decline. Cant argue the numbers? Well, they obviously didn't like them, what else is there it argue about?

Your arguing they didnt make it because D3 sucked and wasnt a success. Its literally like the 3rd best selling PC game of all time.

If they didnt make it, it wasn't because of some gamer drivel that the game sucked, is my point.

There are reasons other than PoE fans saying the game sucked as to why they didnt waste resources on making an expansion for an old ass D3 game. They didn't make extra expansions for a lot of games that were successes. They didnt make more Warcraft 3 ones, more Starcraft ones, etc. They moved on to either the sequel, or into another type of game. See: WoW instead of Warcraft 4/expansions, Starcraft 2, Overwatch, and more than likely D3's expansion got cut in favor of a mobile game which would bring way more money than a 2nd PC expansion.

Its not because it sucks, or any of the trivial reasons people here want to bash D3 for. They made their money back hand over fist already on D3. God knows how many necro packs they sold, which was much easier to do than an entire xpac.

And your right. They are driven by profit. Which is exactly why we are getting a D3 mobile game instead of another D3 expansion. Immortals is going to a massive money maker, even if you guys wanna flame it. Mobile games is where its at for profits right now.

This crap again? Going to the base game as proof? I don't care about the base game, I only care about the expansion which is not a success according to them. Otherwise they wouldn't completely drop the whole beloved franchise for PC, they wouldn't stop the development of the second expansion, they would't act surprised when people booed them(after all they thought Diablo on PC was old news, aint nobody got time for that).

So yes, the expansion was not a success, the base game was but only because of nostalgia. If it was a stand alone without the Diablo name it wouldn't have generated nearly as many sales.

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Destructodave wrote:

Your arguing they didnt make it because D3 sucked and wasnt a success. Its literally like the 3rd best selling PC game of all time.

Go check how many people bought JUST expansion. Then compare it to how many people bought D3.
Maybe you will finally realize why they didnt bother with another expansion.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

This crap again? Going to the base game as proof? I don't care about the base game, I only care about the expansion which is not a success according to them. Otherwise they wouldn't completely drop the whole beloved franchise for PC, they wouldn't stop the development of the second expansion, they would't act surprised when people booed them(after all they thought Diablo on PC was old news, aint nobody got time for that).

So yes, the expansion was not a success, the base game was bit only because of nostalgia. If it was a stand alone without the Diablo name it wouldn't have generated nearly as much sales.

How the hell can you say it wasn't a success? It sold over 10 million copies dude. Like 2.7 million copies its first week. If thats not a success to Blizzard that's their own first world problems. Its not some kind of evidence to your "game sucks" theory.

What the hell is your definition of success? I mean obviously its not selling copies. You nor I work for Blizzard and have any idea why they decided against another full-blown Xpac. They did the necro pack instead. I mean they basically sold a single class for 15 bucks. Why waste time on an entire xpac if you can pull that off?

If it had anything to do with D3 sucking, we wouldn't have even got Reaper of Souls.

Neither of us have any real idea as to why it morphed into that. Possibly they wanted to make d4 instead, went into immortal, who knows. Its damn sure not because the game wasn't a success. Overwatch came from Titan for god's sake. Who knows what they had planned that fell through and the D3 expansion ended up a necro pack instead.

Just this notion that D3 wasnt a success is a flat out joke.

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Destructodave wrote:

Just this notion that D3 wasnt a success is a flat out joke.

There's different types of "success". Was Diablo 3 an economical success? Of course, no one in their right mind would disagree. Was it critical acclaimed success? User reviews? A success for Blizzard's reputation? A success for the Diablo brand in long terms?

Of course there's... "Mixed" perceptions on the matter.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Are you kidding me? Blizzard are corporation driven by profit. So they didn't make that expansion because it happens? Bullshit, they didn't make it because they saw the numbers decline. Cant argue the numbers? Well, they obviously didn't like them, what else is there it argue about?

Exactly. The base D3 sold well because it was the successor to D2. Blizzard couldn't have not done amazingly well. The game sold something like 14 milion copies. ROS is a testament to how badly D3 failed in the eyes of players once they had it in hand though. It sold just over 1 million. A huge drop off.

WoW fanboys will buy D4, but Blizzard will have a very hard time getting Diablo/ARPG fans to trust them blindly. Blizzard is not the company they used to be. WoW is dying off, probably has 2 more xpacs in it at best before it goes into some sort of free to play model or one where they just release new raids as some sort of paid DLC. Their game direction is a joke these days.