Why not have an in-game Auction House?

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Nibelton wrote:

what part of "bots" you ppls didnt undestand ?

lol bots already exist. In fact, I love trading with bots. Much more than with regular players. Bots always have time for a trade. Bots never try to scam you. Bots make the trade quicker. Bots also never forgets to thank you after. <3

apparently none of you read link provided.

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Easy trade allows for greater abuse by automation
Another topic is automation. While we work hard to stamp out bots and abusive behaviour, it would be hard to completely eliminate the damage caused by a few trade bots with access to a fast trade system. If they have the ability to search out and buy items without having to talk to another player, then there would be some very large-scale economic consequences that would not be good for regular players.

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reprot9x wrote:

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Nibelton wrote:

what part of "bots" you ppls didnt undestand ?

lol bots already exist. In fact, I love trading with bots. Much more than with regular players. Bots always have time for a trade. Bots never try to scam you. Bots make the trade quicker. Bots also never forgets to thank you after. <3

you wont be trading with bots on AH,you will be grind the game untill your hands bleed to buy tabula for 100ex because MONOPOLY.

i undestand,that you having problems to comprehend how capitalism works,so i forgive you for your ignorance. not everyone can actaully use thier heads b4 talk.

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reprot9x wrote:

Bots also never forgets to thank you after. <3

it's called POE Trading Companion and nothing to do with bots.

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Easy trade allows for greater abuse by automation
Another topic is automation. While we work hard to stamp out bots and abusive behaviour, it would be hard to completely eliminate the damage caused by a few trade bots with access to a fast trade system. If they have the ability to search out and buy items without having to talk to another player, then there would be some very large-scale economic consequences that would not be good for regular players.

Translation:

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Easy trade can't be done because it would reduce the need for purchasing more stash. Trading needs to be slow and clunky in order to make hording a better alternative. Trade needs to be a manual interaction in order to make players see each others mtx's and advertise them at the same time.

Your link to the manifesto contains nothing of value. It's a collection of nonsense arguments to pretend that the issue is not related to stash. Easy trade works in other games and PoE is not an exception to this.

it's like i'm talking with a wall.
if you want to be angry ignorant,your choice,but nothing will change regarding trade.period.

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reprot9x wrote:

Your link to the manifesto contains nothing of value.

Quite the opposite... It contains EVERYTHING of value since it outlines GGG's (well-reasoned) thinking about it, and their policies.

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reprot9x wrote:

It's a collection of nonsense arguments to pretend that the issue is not related to stash.

Someone has just shown (s)he doesn't understand anything whatsoever about game economies :-)

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reprot9x wrote:

Easy trade works in other games and PoE is not an exception to this.

MAJOR fallacy! Taking an apple and saying it should taste like a pear just because they're both fruits is not going to work.

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Aquatic26 wrote:

I would rather cut all that out and just have my item.

That is exactly what GGG doesn't want. The instant gratification generation will have to learn how to contact players, haggle, and sealing a deal.

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Nibelton wrote:

what part of "bots" you ppls didnt undestand ? poe economy AND gameplay runs on item currency. there is NO gold,NO dollas HA would kill poe as it is.

also,if you think you are first human to land on a moon i have bad news for you. if something so fundamental didnt changed in 6-7 years it wont change now.

What is money? "Money is any item or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment". Money is a medium for facilitating trade, a medium that has an established value. So tell me, what's the difference between "gold" and things like exalt/chaos orbs? I can understand the appeal of an economy based on pure trades but "currency" in this game is no different than gold. Even in games like Diablo 2 where gold was worthless and there was no standard currency pleople still ended up just using things like SoJs as a trading medium.

As for the guy saying AH kills games, I've never seen it. Do you mean Diablo 3? D3 didn't die because of the AH. It was hated but that's mostly because there was real money involved and game was balanced around an AH (just as this game is...).

I'd honestly prefer they just removed trading entirely than have the poorly implemented half measure they have now.

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Madix wrote:

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Nibelton wrote:

what part of "bots" you ppls didnt undestand ? poe economy AND gameplay runs on item currency. there is NO gold,NO dollas HA would kill poe as it is.

also,if you think you are first human to land on a moon i have bad news for you. if something so fundamental didnt changed in 6-7 years it wont change now.

What is money? "Money is any item or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment". Money is a medium for facilitating trade, a medium that has an established value. So tell me, what's the difference between "gold" and things like exalt/chaos orbs? I can understand the appeal of an economy based on pure trades but "currency" in this game is no different than gold. Even in games like Diablo 2 where gold was worthless and there was no standard currency pleople still ended up just using things like SoJs as a trading medium.

As for the guy saying AH kills games, I've never seen it. Do you mean Diablo 3? D3 didn't die because of the AH. It was hated but that's mostly because there was real money involved and game was balanced around an AH (just as this game is...).

I'd honestly prefer they just removed trading entirely than have the poorly implemented half measure they have now.

AH would kill trade in poe in an instant.
Just like that. For more info read my last post in other thread.

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Cyzax wrote:

Because this:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

Easy trade is simply not an option in a game where items aren't 'used up as they're used', and even more so when the game have to accomodate both trading and non-trading players using the same balancing.

Bind on Equip.

FIXED.

I've read every argument for the current system. There's no point in telling me that AH would kill trade, that's only if you're arguing against straw man scenarios. If even remotely well implemented, many more people would use trading with an AH- just as they do it in pretty much every other online RPG. Will some people corner markets or use bots? How is that any different than right now?

Are there negatives to an AH? Sure, but many can be fixed by limiting trading and having a way of destroying items- like vaal orbs do. Something additional to vaaling would be needed. Games like Black Desert require items to be consumed to upgrade other items, the economy actually functions because there are never too many items. There's lots of other alternatives, like "bind on equip" for WoW or commodity, some-what fixed price, trading. To say an economy wouldn't work with an AH is only if you ignore the hundreds of other games that have implemented them.


No matter what, there really isn't a valid reason for having the current trade system in its clunky unfun state. Even if GGG doesn't want an AH, there's still no reason to require external websites. The only valid excuses for the current system is laziness, not knowing how to fix it, wanting to put more power in the hands of min/maxxers, or stubbornness.