Who else won't even be TRYING d3
" Yeah but I wasn't quoting you specifically :) some people said they wanted to punish bad choices. problem is, you only do bad choices when you're a new players, because you don't know the game and you don't know where to put your points because you don't know enemies or skills... but once you know, you don't make mistakes anymore... that's why it's dumb to not allow respec, it's just to punish new players, lame excuse. " yep, I understand what people don't like. the lack of skill tree and sense of progression (because you can switch your skills when you want without a malus, except you'll lose your MF valor bonus if you do that in inferno). What I don't understand is people not paying attention to skill gameplay and enemy IA pattern. " Well, he does MedianXL which is a very good mod for Diablo2, he's not a noob when he's talking about improving a hack'n slash. He talked about changing the resource system, but I guess people don't like changes. About the skill tree, I also like theorycrafting, I did that with PoE. But then I have to play the game... PoE forums ignore list script:
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" I agree that things become clearer, and you get an idea how passive skills will impact the performance of your character more as things go on, but I don't support infinite resetting of skills, or no penalty for just messing about seeing what's best. There needs to be SOME restriction. If not then the tree loses some of it's intrinsic importance. If it's made a bit less strict though, noobs will have a few 'do-overs', but still have to put SOME consideration into their builds. More balancing I guess... " Well to some people the core game play isn't the way they want, and there is a lot of decisions that haven't been popular. The playstyle, visuals, and 'feel' of the game was enough to push me away. Others don't like the mechanics ( I could get used to it ), and some don't like the policies being put into place ( RMAH, and online only ). For most, it's not ONE thing, but a combination of a few key things. It's about priorities too. Imagine for you if the gameplay / enemy AI etc. wasn't there. How would you react? To some people there is too much that isn't what they wanted it to be. I'm one of them. I'm not bitter because PoE fills my needs. I think others are still a bit bitter, and want Diablo 3 to be what they want. I may have the opinion that Blizzard has made some unfortunate steps toward trying to see what they can get away with in their core fanbase rather that trying to do things that their core fanbase WANTS. That may sound DUMB, but it's for the purpose of weening WoW players who didn't play Diablo into the Diablo fold ( it's pretty obvious that's it ). That is certainly NOT dumb. That's smart. There is a lot of current and former WoW players. If they can get a lot of them playing Diablo 3...think of the profits.... " I'm afraid I don't really have time to read ALL his posts. I read a few. He seemed to have a firm grasp on everything fine. His ideas weren't bad. Some don't seem to fit with what PoE seems to be going for. Others are pretty good ideas, but would probably need some compromise to make people happy who see it a different way... "I would have listened... I would have understood!" - Scion
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" yep, I can agree with that :) at least, it's more detailed than "Diablo3 sucks". I don't like WoW, I never liked the visual or gameplay. But I see how they changed D3 and why I like it. I play LoL and I like it for its gameplay, D3 is trying to reach this public IMO. The main difference with D2 (and PoE) is that you have to think about which skills you're gonna use (due to cooldown), how to manage your ressource, how to approach a situation. Diablo2 was popular for being a clickfest, and they changed that aswell with Diablo3. It's still a hack'n slash because you don't target enemies, unlike WoW, and the camera is a top-down view, not behind the shoulder. There's also the team size. They reduced it to increase the strategy, that's why I also feel it's closer to LoL or Dota than WoW. And you have epic loot, that's also why it's still Diablo for me. I also feel they share some design with GW2, where there's no stats (or stat points I would say) and you can respec your skills, they want to bring back the skill into the game, and be less dependant on the loot. Even if you have epic loot but you don't know how to use your character, you will suck. That's also a difference with WoW and PoE (hello flicker strike!) PoE forums ignore list script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/162657 0.4: added "ignore" button. ignore list is now saved locally. Last edited by kodr#0209 on Mar 28, 2012, 7:59:26 PM
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I fully intend to play D3. I fully intend to play Path of Exile. And Grim Dawn too. Why limit yourself?
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I'm not limiting myself, I'll play what I enjoy :)
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" I didn't really play LoL, but I have given WoW a few stabs, but I never really liked it. There is some REAL problems with the gameplay. It's what I like to call 'dumb unfun addiction'. It turns it into a grind that you don't have to think about, but happens frequently enough ( on a diminishing scale ) to drive you forward long past the point where you realize you aren't having fun anymore...at least for me. ARPG shouldn't be like that, but it's tough to avoid. There is other things about WoW I don't like, but I'll leave it there. " I didn't like it. The pacing felt all wrong to me. I felt disconnected. More a commander to my single soldier rather than something I was really connected to. That's just my taste maybe, but I like the frenetic pace in my arpg games. " Team size doesn't bother me much. Only a small group of my friends ( 8-10 ) play the arpg genre, and only 3-4 are ever on at the same time. However a team strategy doesn't come into play much. We are a fairly chaotic bunch, unless we are in a true tactical game. So the team size isn't much of a big thing for me. Love gear hunting a trading though. "I would have listened... I would have understood!" - Scion
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Diablo 3 is just like Wow.
A dumbed down mindless h&s aimed at a much larger audience than Diablo 1. It also has a community of stubborn and rather arrogant 'zealots'. Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum - That's nature for you.
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I for one probably won't be purchasing Diablo 3. I got into the Beta, and from what I have seen, there is nothing special about it. No character customization, nothing that sets you apart from the other mass of pixels. They limit you to a small set of ability's, which furthers emphasizes singular builds, and takes away the options of Diablo 2. The developers aren't the same as the original makers of Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. Path of Exile is looking more like what I want. Keep up the great work, and maybe someday, the developers will become the big company that Blizzard used to be. I just hope they don't get bought out (or merged) by Activision or EA.
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Honestly a no buy for me ive been testing it since first release of keys and it is so easy and dumbed down.. than there going to add the auction house which is going to hurt the game economy among other things... if only they just made it like D2 .... oh well so sad Blizzard.... there dumbing down to many games now a days///
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yep, thanks for making my points guys.
GGG doesn't deserve this kind of behavior. I just wish good luck to them, especially for this week-end, I hope people will enjoy the game, despite those behaviors. PoE forums ignore list script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/162657 0.4: added "ignore" button. ignore list is now saved locally. Last edited by kodr#0209 on Mar 29, 2012, 2:01:04 AM
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