Trickster Melee Rework v3.2 with Energy Shield and more trickery

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鬼殺し wrote:

Slight update re: saboteur. Just face-tanked Innocence with 1200 life, 18 ES. Temp chains+Born In The Shadow+a/pa+decent evasion goes a *long* way against a blind god. I'll likely have to switch back to Enfeeble when the one-shots start being a thing but for now, actively dodging big, telegraphed hits with WB and just watching the others whiff is a blast. To me, this is a *very* Shadow way of playing.

Relevance to this thread: If TencentGGG are cool with one-ascendancy builds, then BITS can stay where it is. But as a functional piece in a larger EV/ES puzzle, it really could do with revision as a 'trap/mine' Ascendancy notable.

I get slightly wet in the nethers just thinking about a combination of BITS, Patient Reaper and Ghost Dance. Sure, it'd be powerful, but in a game where the meta is shit like screen-clearing-in-one-click arc trap, so be it. PBAOE blind is 100% a melee buff, and who here would argue that melee doesn't need all the buffs?

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Stuns and ailments are based on 50% of life + energy shield

I just realized this is actually a retarded idea because it would be less good than just using life lol. Rookie development mistakes

Actually I'm not sure why Fruz has a problem with ES+life as the stun base. Now that I think about it there's a low chance you'll get more "stun buffer" than a regular life or regular ci build using this.

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Fruz wrote:

You ca easily get 10k+ buffer with life+ES total on a hybrid build, and for suns + ailments ?
That's pretty strong already.
So if you add that + other strong elements in the same keystone, it could become pretty broken, or at least just mandatory.

I had ~9k already on a hybrid trickster without escape artist last year, and that was before Delve crafting and stuff, SSF.

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Boem wrote:

Saboteur melee is legit and has been for quite a while.

You just need one item for it
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Effigon

And then you go something like molten strike that scales of the fire and aoe/ele scaling.

Also charan using mines on a saboteur :p, i would assume not!

Peace,

-Boem-

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鬼殺し wrote:

heck no, just Viper Strike claws. If I go traps or mines (which I almost never do -- cowardly little toys!), I go Trickster or Assassin just to thumb my nose at the obvious choice. :P

Fuck, Boem read me like a book there.

I did notice the Effigon as well, and I'll be casually trying for the prophecy but SSF...yknow how it goes.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

You ca easily get 10k+ buffer with life+ES total on a hybrid build, and for suns + ailments ?
That's pretty strong already.
So if you add that + other strong elements in the same keystone, it could become pretty broken, or at least just mandatory.

I had ~9k already on a hybrid trickster without escape artist last year, and that was before Delve crafting and stuff, SSF.

Doesn't that already exist for CI? You roll an occultist and get easily 14k es and cold/freeze/stun immunity from the ascendancy while still giving lots of other bonuses. It's not even "stun/freeze/chill based on es" you're just flat out completely immune. I think it's comparatively justified to do ALL ailments + stun is BASED on your total buffer, when you aren't actually providing immunity to any of those things.

At least, comparing to occultist it seems relatively fair to me.

If you MUST insist on a nerf to that node (I mean lets just be honest this is really just an exercise for funsies anyway) I would maybe agree to like 85% of life + es.

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鬼殺し wrote:

I did notice the Effigon as well, and I'll be casually trying for the prophecy but SSF...yknow how it goes.