ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WITH THESE TRADE ISSUES

I learned the hard way:

I want item X at market price YY.

However the only item up for sale is price YY +15C

Just pay the damn 15C extra and be done with it.
Yeah but the seller made 15C profit.
And so what? The alternative is posting the forums with trade issue and you NOT having that item.

Poe trade use:

Rule nr1: SCROLL DOWN 3 to 5 pages
Rule nr2: Just pay the extra C

CERTAINLY applies to map acquiring

GGG needs to bring in some QoL improvements to trading.

DnD mode = All trade tabs automatically disabled. Player must manually renable them all again.

Player /afk, or afks from actually being afk = All trade tabs automatically disabled. Player must manually renable them all again.


I feel your struggle, just tried to buy a Caldera since Niko is there, after messaging 11-12 people, said fuck it.

As Earthslug has pointed lately, just skip the first couple of pages of sellers, worked wonders for me over the past weekend.
Got the maps that I wanted/needed for Atlas and dailies.

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Earthslug wrote:

I learned the hard way:

I want item X at market price YY.

However the only item up for sale is price YY +15C

Just pay the damn 15C extra and be done with it.
Yeah but the seller made 15C profit.
And so what? The alternative is posting the forums with trade issue and you NOT having that item.

Poe trade use:

Rule nr1: SCROLL DOWN 3 to 5 pages
Rule nr2: Just pay the extra C

CERTAINLY applies to map acquiring

This is often true i agree with you, scrolling down can eventualy accelerate the aquiring process, i just find that absurd on a design perspective but at least it somehow can work.

Also, faster datas ( instant ones ) could open the door for some measure and penalties against price fixing and even bots, wich i would welcome, for now it's impossible to add such things sadly.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

If you want to test a bunch of builds why not mess around with that in STD where you should have two of everything by now? Thats what I do before proceeding to league with proof of concept. Proof of fun.

I could do that occasionaly, however some items are missing in standard that come from new leagues, also aquiring items is even worse than in temp leagues or maybe i was really unlucky last time i gave it a try, andddd then doing it before patch mean i have something likeeee two or three days to run a char from 0 and see it's viability against an endgame that doesn't exist yet ?
Well maybe i miss something but it doesn't really sounds to deal with my issue. Can be wrong too and missing something, i rarely watch streams.

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Faendris wrote:

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3) Player A will send a party invite, in case Player B wants to trade or to simply see if they're currently busy in a map or the lab and knows to wait till their done. (ok cool) Player B on the other hand will be silent, never responding no matter if they're in a map, lab or even just sitting in town or their ho (hideout).


4) Player B will suddenly put Player A on ignore for no reason but just for even being contacted in the first place about an item they posted. Unless you post some weird crap like I wanna buy your item (quill rain for this example) for 500 ex or something equally ridiculous. * btw only way to check to see if you haven't been ignored is to send a party invite since GGG doesn't have a notification of this if you msg a person*

If you do this, you rightfully earned a place on the sellers ignore list. I am not a full time sales person. I play the game. If I don't reply I have better things to do in game. For example doing uber lab oder fighting uber elder or chatting with pals in guild chat.A ninja invite is annoying at best and distracting in a difficult situation at worst. I will immediately put you on ignore if you do this - no exceptions.

What you should do instead is move on to the next seller. It is no problem for me to buy maps/currency/etc. within a very reasonable amount of time. Just adapt.

This is one of my exact points made perfectly. Hence why GGG should allow the option for people to have the option to turn on & off ALL of their postings / listings to prevent this. Despite you or anyone not being a full time trader, it doesn't negate the fact that trades are always happening and if you have a posting up; you could be contacted at any given time. In 95% of the instances it only takes a quick sec or two to reply back "In map, brb soon" or "4 mins" just common sense / curtesy.


Btw, just because someone sends an invite to you doesn't mean you have to accept it. Other players cannot come to your hideout or map without you accepting the invite. If a guy is mapping and does not want to be disturbed then /dnd mode should 100% be on and the forum postings should not be seen.


Oh ^^ isn't to you specifically but you touched on a point and it's for other players that are also like that. It's quite a LOT that feel that way.

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Biovital wrote:

GGG needs to bring in some QoL improvements to trading.

DnD mode = All trade tabs automatically disabled. Player must manually renable them all again.

Player /afk, or afks from actually being afk = All trade tabs automatically disabled. Player must manually renable them all again.

EXACTLY!

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Freyaldo wrote:

I see chaos/exhalt in this game more like silver/gold in real life. The prices of them fluctuates a lot.

Even if GGG add's a vendor 1 chaos for x jeweller's, the price is either too good or too bad, and no sane soul (aside Solo-self-found) will use it.

The same with chaos to exhalt, even if GGG says 100chaos is 1 exhalt (cent's to dollar's/euros etc) the only result will be most item will be priced in exhalts and nothing will really happen (equally as in the sellers are using their calculator/brain to adjust prices).

Still their will be an issue of mirror's........

now for the other part of having you tab's still active for standard.....
You do know you can turn each tab on/off right? (or is that option only available for legue's (which sound very odd to me)).

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DarthSki44 wrote:

There are so many dynamics and variables at play here.

The currency economy, the massive impact guilds have on high end items, the new crafting recipes, ect...

It would be very difficult for GGG to quantify a solid end-all be-all currency orb vendor. In fact I'd say its impossible.

The Trade system itself, while it has its faults, in its current state, is fairly good. If you have been here for years like I have, it has come a long way from basically a ridiculous trade chat spamming joke, to the tolerable, bumpy version we have now.

If the major issue is the buy-out, automatic trade, that doesn't even require a player to be logged in, then sorry to disappoint, but it's not happening.

If you think a currency vendor that has all orbs is the right direction, good luck getting consensus on what the "standard" price should be. This would actually cause more headaches and debate.

In summary, for the most part, I dont think trade is in a bad spot (minus price fixing and bots, which an AH doesnt fix)

IF the vendors were to sell all orbs, yes it would indeed clash with the current players markets (in standard anyways); however people already have a current headstart (saved up currency) on what would be to come and wouldn't have to adjust much. Perfect example of this would be Alchs: Cant remember exactly which master it was or where I saw it but I know that the vendors value Alchs more than Regrets, so it'd take like 2 - 4 regrets just to equal 1 Alch at the vendor.

Having the vendors to sell all orbs would finally put some stability to things; thus taking a step in trade issues and time. The only orbs I could understand NOT having the vendors to sell would be the different orbs from Harbinger and Mirrors. Everything else, should be fair game.

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鬼殺し wrote:

So my advice: clarify your point/s, make a clean suggestion what the devs can do to rectify the issue, and post that in Feedback/Suggestions. Take it or leave it.

@GGG please
1) Enable all ORBS to be sold at vendors
2) Enable a on / off option to turn off ALL trade postings and enable this feature automatically when players use /dnd

How's that?




p.s. @ wall street / wild west debate : GGG does seem to have both elements currently in game but neither have good balance. Though if they REALLY wanted some wild west anarchy within PoE, they'd make all skills have an equal damage potential ( like guns) and let the players progress be 100% based on skill (gunfights) instead of luck (RNG).

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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If you're one of those "just go play SSF" for an answer guys then this post isn't for you.

Actually it is. I'd like to be able to buy vaal orbs instead of running maze when i run out. I even shape that stupid map because I vaal every red map so I dont run out ever.

Anyway second point about trade postings isnt. but I agree with that too.

True, with these 2 issues being fixed; I don't see how players could be against this. As for SSF, the vendor idea makes even more sense because it wouldn't affect the economy in any way if someone converts from SSF to non.

Aside from that I asked in older posts, about GGG allowing the masters currency to be sold / refreshed more than once a day- especially in SSF but yeah I guess the whole logic & debate for that part would be char conversions and bots but w/e. We currently have bots now so it doesn't make a difference one way or another.

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Heli0nix wrote:

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What you should do instead is move on to the next seller. It is no problem for me to buy maps/currency/etc. within a very reasonable amount of time. Just adapt.

Reasonable depend of your playstyle and goals and generaly what you expect from this game, this is the main issue, it seems GGG is not able at this hour to understand wich different personas play PoE and then doesn't adapt their choice in accordance.

Edit: btw I wanna respond more about your post but will do another time. Wanting to see other viewpoints as well.

Exactly. With so many different people and their personalities, these 2 needed changes would help to accompany everyone's goals. Don't feel like trading? Turn off the listings, then no one can see them. Need other orbs like chaos, alchs, vaals, etc for mapping or crafting? Simply go to the vendor (though it was VERY helpful having the masters play a part in this previously) get what you need and move on. No sense having to play mind games to appease someone and spend hella time trying to do simple trade that would take less than 2 mins. (30 secs in some cases)

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Miská wrote:

The trade API on both poe.trade and the official one is lagged pretty much the whole league already. It's not always there but when it is problems like this occur.

After message nr 20 I also ignore people who want to buy it. And if you spam me like you seem to do I will put you on ignore aswell.

They don't give a shit about trade, and honestly it almost seems like this is their way of making trade as frustrating as possible.

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arknath wrote:

If the buyer starts spamming party invites without me responding to the trade message I instantly block the person. I'd rather lose out on a few chaos than having to deal with impatient people.

Oh I fully agree about being annoyed and against spam. Sending a seller one party invite and a "hey dude you there?" msg after waiting 30 secs - 1 or 2 mins without getting a reply isn't my idea of spam. The party invite is just to see where the seller is i.e. in town, hideout ,etc. So if I see someone is in the Lab or Shaper Realm then I simply say "Oh you're busy, pm me when your done" then wait 10 - 15, maybe 20 mins and check back later. Nothing wrong there.

But when someone blocks you off the bat just off of first pm and party invite, that's just crazy. Precisely why GGG should Enable a on / off option for players to be able to turn off ALL trade postings and enable this feature automatically when players use /dnd. Simple fix that cuts out soooooooooooooo much confusion , stress and time for everyone on both ends buying and selling.

Don't invite the seller. Wait for him to invite you. Check with /whois if he's busy in lab or something. If he doesn't answer just resend the message from poe.trade a few minutes later or try other sellers. I'm glad it never happened to me but I would add to ignore list any people who invites me like you do in your step 3.

Feel free to chime in anytime GGG =.=

I think overall the trading system works in most places. Trading apps have made it easier than ever to find the items you are looking for at the prices you are looking for them. This part has greatly improved over the years.

The part I would really like to see go away forever from trading are the mundane and/or gameplay affecting areas. This boils down to maps and currency exchange. The API would be under significantly less strain if there was a map exchange vendor that allowed you to trade your maps for regular versions of the ones you needed as well as a vendor to convert some of your worthless currencies into ones that you need.

In terms of an "offline" or immediate exchange tab, I think this could be hugely beneficial if not abused. One of the biggest reasons that so many people don't respond is because it is not worth their time to do the trade in relation to what they are currently doing. 1c and lower trades are something most people are not going to do unless they are already in their hideout or bored. Now if I could dump a lot of these into an offline tab that automatically facilitates that transaction...

Finally, I think if they were to do something like an offline tab I think this should be account limited to 1. It keeps the system from being abused, but takes a huge amount of frustration out of the equation for most people.

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jddc78 wrote:

I think overall the trading system works in most places. Trading apps have made it easier than ever to find the items you are looking for at the prices you are looking for them. This part has greatly improved over the years.

The part I would really like to see go away forever from trading are the mundane and/or gameplay affecting areas. This boils down to maps and currency exchange. The API would be under significantly less strain if there was a map exchange vendor that allowed you to trade your maps for regular versions of the ones you needed as well as a vendor to convert some of your worthless currencies into ones that you need.

In terms of an "offline" or immediate exchange tab, I think this could be hugely beneficial if not abused. One of the biggest reasons that so many people don't respond is because it is not worth their time to do the trade in relation to what they are currently doing. 1c and lower trades are something most people are not going to do unless they are already in their hideout or bored. Now if I could dump a lot of these into an offline tab that automatically facilitates that transaction...

Finally, I think if they were to do something like an offline tab I think this should be account limited to 1. It keeps the system from being abused, but takes a huge amount of frustration out of the equation for most people.

we have those...…….though honestly a drop boost in those would help. Aside from that, if we had more chaos to use (by converting at the vendor) then we could utilize more of the map device mods. Which also helps map drops