15 European gambling regulators unite to tackle loot box threat

all these shills in this thread defending predatory lootboxes that take advantage of an highly addictive thing such as gambling make me sick. Sure, you might get something every time, but you're gambling to get that one item that you really want and some people will often spend hundreds until they get it.

I'm glad there are people out there fighting to get this predatory shit regulated and i'll laugh at the shills when lootbox gambling gets regulated to shit.

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

all these shills in this thread defending predatory lootboxes that take advantage of an highly addictive thing such as gambling make me sick. Sure, you might get something every time, but you're gambling to get that one item that you really want and some people will often spend hundreds until they get it.

I'm glad there are people out there fighting to get this predatory shit regulated and i'll laugh at the shills when lootbox gambling gets regulated to shit.

predatory shit?
personal responsibility has been thrown out the god damn window in this world.
do you claim all marketing techniques, tactics, strategies to be predatory??

gambling is not some evil thing. unless you're a complete moron you know the chances of getting what you hope for, in all gambling instances, is low.
if its "addictive" for you, take personal responsibility and stop or don't do it ever. it isn't GGGs fault or the lootboxes fault, or gamblings fault that you cannot control yourself. that mentality has to be snuffed out immediately. its ridiculous

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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DoubleU wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I'm sure there are kids like as young as 12-13 playing this game who are getting "hooked" on gambling.

The issue there would be where are the parents?

Were you ever a kid? My parents didnt even know I skipped like 4 months of school I hide it so well. Oblivious of course.

So, it's now GGG's job to raise the kids? What about the students that play too long and don't get their studying done? Should the EU put a limit of one hour per day of gaming and no logins after 8pm local time on the regulation books?

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Orbitalx wrote:

So do you agree that that duplicate item is worth drastically less than the first copy of that item that you received?

For weapon MTX, not at all. For some pets, no. For some hideout decorations I like, no. If the MTX is one I will probably use on a lot of my characters, a second copy is still very useful.

For most of them, the duplicate is a loss. For most of them, even the first one I don't really want is a loss. That is why I seldom get more than 1 or 2 boxes in a league. Last League, every box I got, I ended up with something I wanted and used. The only thing I didn't get that I wanted was a duplicate weapon effect.

The loot boxes were always by far the most morally grey aspect of one of the most fair financial models of any game I have come across. I appreciate the boxes make ggg a good slice of income but going by how long town takes to load in a league nowadays it is apparent to me they could do without them and all the better imo.

As to gambling discussion, calling people "idiots" for their vices makes me wonder if some people are very young with limited life experience or legit think they are perfect.

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LowBudget780 wrote:

Some people can't stop, hence the term "addiction."

they still choose to start though, don't they.
whos responsibility do these people fall under? the companies? the governments?

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xMustard wrote:

predatory shit?
personal responsibility has been thrown out the god damn window in this world.
do you claim all marketing techniques, tactics, strategies to be predatory??

gambling is not some evil thing. unless you're a complete moron you know the chances of getting what you hope for, in all gambling instances, is low.
if its "addictive" for you, take personal responsibility and stop or don't do it ever. it isn't GGGs fault or the lootboxes fault, or gamblings fault that you cannot control yourself. that mentality has to be snuffed out immediately. its ridiculous

This x1000.
Nothing is worse then abusing the personal freedom of an adult.

And since PoE is listed as 18+ game, this is end of discussion.
People can go cry more.

Well gambling pretty much means that one takes advantage from morons (im talking about them real self-control lacking individuals). But few days ago i had to help a mother buy Fortnite(save the world) or whatever that is,for her kid.

According to her these money were the kid's money (40€) (11 years old),whatever that means.

I tried real hard to explain that the game is about to go free,and he is giving money away. The mom agreed,and tried to reason with the kid (i can't intervene here since it's not my business when it comes to a decision).

Then something interested happened,the kid brought up the skins and perks coming with that purchase.

He knew about streamers,youtube content creators etc,i was impressed to say the least. That kid has no idea what he's about to give these money for but he used these twitch/youtube contents to strengthen his point (which is pretty much just child being hyped up). Eventually the mom agreed since its a "present",and child happiness.

Point is,even if it's not really ON-topic,i can see how these boxes ESPECIALLY the way EA and Activision deal with them,can actually take advantage of these kids. Even if they are just kids,they know just enough to get a parent that's not a gamer to agree with them,which is pretty scary. I for one wouldn't bite but a clueless person will simply hand out the money,and hype+child inexperience (when it comes to what to spend money on or not)will do the rest.

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LowBudget780 wrote:

A little bit of both, that's why there should be regulations set in place.

ok. so what about the children addicted to sugar. or adults addicted to coffee. or your wife addicted to shopping. or you addicted to video games.

do you also appeal to the government to regulate that? at what point does personal responsibility get thrown out the window and somebody else has to take responsibility for you - as soon as you're "unable to help yourself"?

you're never unable to help yourself. and it is never the job or responsibility of the government to regulate everyone because you're unable to help yourself.

i am amazed at how willing people are to throw away their freedoms to the whim of the government. it is amazing.

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xMustard wrote:

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LowBudget780 wrote:

A little bit of both, that's why there should be regulations set in place.

ok. so what about the children addicted to sugar. or adults addicted to coffee. or your wife addicted to shopping. or you addicted to video games.

do you also appeal to the government to regulate that? at what point does personal responsibility get thrown out the window and somebody else has to take responsibility for you - as soon as you're "unable to help yourself"?

you're never unable to help yourself. and it is never the job or responsibility of the government to regulate everyone because you're unable to help yourself.

i am amazed at how willing people are to throw away their freedoms to the whim of the government. it is amazing.

Don't throw away your freedoms. Just make sure you aren't getting screwed over and you are properly warned about dangerous or addictive things.

This is an example and I am not saying anything about EA's real numbers. This is why you need the government to protect you and regulate this.

Example #1: Electronic Arts says you have a 10% chance to get a chest item from the gambling box. In reality you actually have 5% chance. They are misleading you about your chances of winning. Currently there is no way to check/verify this and no punishment for them misleading you. Basically they can do whatever the fuck they want right now.

Example #2: They can sell you an item with a chance to get it for $10 dollars a roll and you can have a .000000000001 chance to get it. How do you know that you might not ever get it? You don't know what your chances are.

I want the government to protect me from GGG saying that you get x item at 5% chance but in reality you are getting x item at 1% chance. GGG is currently doing this with their gambling boxes. After your first box your chances go down because of duplicates but they don't mention that. You also have no idea if your chances are what they say they are. (I am not saying GGG is lying about your chances. I am saying you have no way of know if your chances are what they said they are) I want the government to warn children and adults alike that they are in fact gambling and the game they are buying has gambling boxes in it.

I don't think they should remove these boxes entirely but children should not be able to play games and buy games that have gambling in them for real money. ID should be required to play/buy these games. Adults need to be protected just as much as kids when it comes to gambling. I don't think gambling should be outlawed but it needs to be regulated just like casinos are regulated.

Also, I already said this multiple times but here it is again.



GGG says
"The possible outcomes from your mystery box range in value from 30 points all the way up to 320 points! "

This is true but only for the first box. If you get a duplicate it is worth 0 points to you. You should change the wording. It should say, "The possible outcomes from your mystery box range in value from 30 points all the way up to 320 points on your first box. After that it ranges from 0 points all the way up to 320 points."

Also, each box does not average 110 points. The first box averages 110 points (if you say so). After the first box each additional box will average less and less points the more you buy.

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Completed 40 ChallengesGravytrader wrote:
Rough math would have the average value of the first box you purchase at 110 points. As you buy more the average value decreases assuming you value duplicates as zero.

On average, box value would be (using more rough math):
1st box: 110 points
5th box: 101 points
10th box: 91 points
15th box: 81 points
20th box: 73 points
30th box: 59 points
40th box: 47 points
50th box: 38 points
60th box: 31 points
61st box: 29.92 points

As you can see, the more boxes you buy the less each box is worth.