People not answering to trade requests.

I lower the price of a unique ring from 3c to 2c and I get 15+ whispers in 10 seconds.

I don't know what kind of AH you want, but the bots for this game already create one.

"

Chalace2 wrote:

It's always the buyers complaining. Every time. Don't get me wrong, the majority of trades go OK. If I'm busy people usually don't mind waiting for 2 minutes if you ask. However-

- 30% of the time, if I take more than 5 seconds to respond I either get no reply or a "got 1" 2 minutes later.
- They don't have the correct currency. If I list something for 10c, I don't want 5c, 2 regals, 3 alcs, and a dozen alts. Unless you ask first.
(I will usually just accept and carry on, but it's still irritating)

Let me counter that (fairly legit) complaint with other example.

I want to buy dozens of certain unique item/map/essence/whatever-that-most-people-have-only-one-of.

I have a choice:
- I can PM one person and wait until they respond
or
- PM 2 to 4 people and accept invites as they go

In the first example, if someone takes 5 minutes to respond, I'll be waiting 5 minutes doing nothing. It is even possible they just went afk.
Now, lets say that every 3rd person does that. And lets say I have 20 items to buy that way. That is half an hour of waiting doing absolutely nothing.

And don't get me wrong - I know how annoying it is. Your point is correct.

However you got to understand that in current system you either wait and be nice, or actually get things done.

sure, except 99% of the time people aren't trying to obtain multiples, they want 1 item and spam numerous people back to back knowingly to trade with only one.

your example doesn't really make sense, because you can message/trade with multiple people to no expense of anyone.

"

robmafia wrote:

no, impatient/self-entitled people do that. and it creates a vicious cycle. ...which is the best part. the complainers are responsible for that which they complain about.

^

I'm wondering if overall, buyers are not more "toxic" than sellers, honestly.
I almot never have a problem buying something from someone ( when I play in trade leagues, which is kinda rare now but I did in Bestiary. And I had some 'toxic' buyers spamming me for some items because I was not answering within 5 secs pretty much .... well f*** off, I don't answer that quickly. I answer within the minute usually ).

"

Pangaearocks wrote:

When people don't respond I tend to check /whois. If they're in the lab or something it makes sense they don't respond, sometimes you're just busy. But it's weird when they're in the hideout and still can't be arsed to respond.

For Dominus sake, the player could be receiving a phone call, answering the door bell, having an emergency, or .... or anything !

"

Perq wrote:

You wait like a good boi, making sure you don't hurt someone feels by sending them a message, I'll spam and get my items quicker.

I prefer waiting a little bit rather than being egotistical ( don't take it too personal, honestly, I know that the system does push to this to a certain extent, not that I think that it justifies anything ) and participating in making the community toxic.

Robmafia was neither bitching or whining.
It's a game, I'd rather chill and stay civil and not act as if my life was depending on it, but hey, everybody can play the way she/he wants.

"

perq wrote:

Let me counter that (fairly legit) complaint with other example.

I want to buy dozens of certain unique item/map/essence/whatever-that-most-people-have-only-one-of.

I have a choice:
- I can PM one person and wait until they respond
or
- PM 2 to 4 people and accept invites as they go

In the first example, if someone takes 5 minutes to respond, I'll be waiting 5 minutes doing nothing. It is even possible they just went afk.
Now, lets say that every 3rd person does that. And lets say I have 20 items to buy that way. That is half an hour of waiting doing absolutely nothing.

And don't get me wrong - I know how annoying it is. Your point is correct.

However you got to understand that in current system you either wait and be nice, or actually get things done.

Why don't people can't understand compromises ?
If you message somebody, and if 20 sec later there is no answer, you message another one.
If later the first player invites you while you are trading with the second one, you can always send a message "give me a sec to finish this trade first please" and get things done, while still being civil, and not wasting your time, or anybody else's time actually.
If you honestly think that being civil/polite means waiting 5 mins after sending a message, doing nothing like a vegetable in front of your screen ....
I'm honestly not sure what to tell you.

"

robmafia wrote:

your example doesn't really make sense, because you can message/trade with multiple people to no expense of anyone.

^

Like someone said setting up an automatic response would fix a ton of issues. Imagine being able to message lab, map or delve with a single click of a button instead of the clunky response system we have now. It'll make trading so much better.

"

Johny_Snow wrote:

Like someone said setting up an automatic response would fix a ton of issues. Imagine being able to message lab, map or delve with a single click of a button instead of the clunky response system we have now. It'll make trading so much better.

Having a "/whois" equivalent result on hovering on somebody's name in the chat would be a good QoL I think, so that after sending, you can just hover and see if they are in lab/delve.
But maybe most would not bother or care about that.

Having an easy 'I am busy right now' might be nice too, but then using it would probaly mean that the buyer would already dismiss you depending on the situation, idk ... I'm not sure if there is any easy and ideal thing to add given the current system.

"

4703690 wrote:

The internal AH/shop has been proposed multiple times, and it has been rejected all the times, so I won't ask for that again, because you are obviously too dumb to understand that making game harder by making shitty UI (because poe.trade is basically external UI that just takes more time and has failure chance) is not a good idea.

But it IS a good idea, since implementing an AH would be detrimental to the game. See the development manifesto for why:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

I actually find few real problems when trying to trade, as long as I don't offer anything ridiculously low (even if that is what the item is up for)... Just face that anything lower than say 2-5 Chaos is often not enough for people to break off what they're doing.

A good strategy is to offer more than they ask, not just by changing the number (that is too easily missed), but by adding to the line that you're willing to pay X Chaos more.

I post the poe.trade generated line... If there is no answer within half a minute or so, I repeat it. If still no answer, move on to the next. I generally get the item I want within 5 minutes.

"

Pangaearocks wrote:

When people don't respond I tend to check /whois. If they're in the lab or something it makes sense they don't respond, sometimes you're just busy. But it's weird when they're in the hideout and still can't be arsed to respond.

Should also be said that this issue is probably worse this league due to delve. If you are there, you pretty much can't respond, or you'll die.

In my brief experience it can be a nag to buy cheap items, like low-ish maps or items worth a few chaos. But go a bit over that and people tend to respond more frequently. And as always, don't go for the items listed on top/cheapest. They are often fake, with people trying to price fix and trick newbies. Usually better to go a little bit further down the list, and of course don't bother with AFK guys. Almost always BS listings.

This is my methodology as well. I do the usual whisper and the immediately do the /whois on them to see what's going on.

It's become a bit of a game for me now. I'll watch a clock on my second monitor to see how long the hideout people take compared to maps or other instances.

Though I must say, lately the cheapest listings have been good for me on responses. Then again, I've mainly been doing standard so it's likely a different kind of player.

"

Cyzax wrote:

But it IS a good idea, since implementing an AH would be detrimental to the game. See the development manifesto for why:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

I mean, they say it, so it must be true, right? They did a league in which they tried instant buyout, right? They took note of the economy in this test league and concluded that their suspicions were correct, right? They're not just claiming stuff they can't back up with hard data, right?

All they're doing is grasping at straws and making excuses. Remember when they claimed desync would never be fixed?

I remember.


And the part I find almost insulting is how they claim that being able to gear your character too quickly would result in boredom. DO they even play their own game? Act 1-10 is boring, the lab is boring, the Azurite mine becomes boring and routine very quickly and mapping is soul drainingly boring after you've completed half the Atlas because it's always the same routine in every single league ever.

"

Obliviongamer91 wrote:

"

Cyzax wrote:

But it IS a good idea, since implementing an AH would be detrimental to the game. See the development manifesto for why:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

I mean, they say it, so it must be true, right?

No. They investigated the issue, made their best judgement, looked at what other games experienced (D3 for example), and decided (and rightly so) that easy trade didn't work in this game.

Besides, why change something that works? Apart from a very few (but vocal) players, the current system works for the large majority of players.

"

Obliviongamer91 wrote:

And the part I find almost insulting is how they claim that being able to gear your character too quickly would result in boredom. DO they even play their own game? Act 1-10 is boring, the lab is boring, the Azurite mine becomes boring and routine very quickly and mapping is soul drainingly boring after you've completed half the Atlas because it's always the same routine in every single league ever.

Your argument is essentially that because some parts of the game are boring (to some players), they should add even more boredom? That's pretty silly...