Uninstalled

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Namcap wrote:

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Flu_Like_Symptom wrote:

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Namcap wrote:

Shaper is 100% a mechanical fight. If you know the mechanics you can do it with 1hp. There's clearly something that you had not noticed from the YouTube videos you watched. Not killing a boss on your first try really isn't a valid reason to uninstall IMO.

That was just the final straw. In every YouTube video I've seen, shaper dies in a matter of seconds. I think that speaks for itself as far as how much of a "mechanical fight" it really is. In reality, the mechanics are shit so everyone just gets their favorite flavor of the month build that can kill him in seconds, so they don't have to deal with the piss poor mechanics.

The build I used was putting out 1M dps with flasks, for reference. A glacial hammer jugg with a fairly solid build. The only questionable part of the build is abyssus, but I'm fairly certain physical damage isn't really a concern with shaper.

He has a default melee attack like everything else.

Shaper dies in a matter of seconds, now, due to power creep since he was put in. Doesn't mean everyone that does it has 10m dps. I've killed him with 90k dps where you do have to learn the mechanics and how to avoid crap. He's probably one of the fairer end game fights because of his mechanics, everybody has a chance to do it. Just because you tried to brute force your way through, doesn't make it piss poor mechanics.

Let's be realistic here. I highly fucking doubt his melee attack is what killed me.

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Flu_Like_Symptom wrote:

Should get better at detecting sarcasm, fanboy.

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never even engaged with shaper. had the chance at harbinger where i played so much i was even able to buy shaper sets cause they were piss cheap but i didn't because it felt like cheating the game, wanted to do all guardians first but failed on that.

if i had bound my ggg support on how many times i died in this game or rage quit cause i failed a boss, ggg would never have seen a penny from me.

i supported because they ever provided challenging gameplay that can kill you while other games didn't.

grow some balls and get on.

OP has 4 level 80+ characters in bestiary alone.

After you are done raging and reinstall the game, we'll see you next league.

They already have you hooked.

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Flu_Like_Symptom wrote:

The decision to uninstall came after I bought a shaper set, and tried to run shaper for the first time.

You should try Uber Atziri.

OP didn't provide many reasons why Shaper is such a badly designed fight, so let me help:

1. The hitboxes are really bad. I have been hit by many of his and some of his "uncreated" minion attacks even when i was clearly out of the way or in zana's bubble.

2. Kill fast or go home designs (arena fills with x/ boss gets stroger the longer you take to kill y) promotes only big dps numbers, not so much defence, as it renders most defensive builds useless. A well designed bossfight would reward any previous choice you made in the game. Makes the game feel one-demensional and not complex at all. Same with the labyrinth.

3. The four random bosses before his encounter are unnecessary. We already killed four of his guardians to get to him, why are there four random very easy minibosses before him? Was it meant to be some other specifically designed ones or is it just for more loot? If it's the former then they should just be removed and if it's the latter then they should appear as "void chests" after you kill shaper. Now they serve no other purpose other than to waste our time.

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Pyrokar wrote:

OP didn't provide many reasons why Shaper is such a badly designed fight, so let me help:

1. The hitboxes are really bad. I have been hit by many of his and some of his "uncreated" minion attacks even when i was clearly out of the way or in zana's bubble.

2. Kill fast or go home designs (arena fills with x/ boss gets stroger the longer you take to kill y) promotes only big dps numbers, not so much defence, as it renders most defensive builds useless. A well designed bossfight would reward any previous choice you made in the game. Makes the game feel one-demensional and not complex at all. Same with the labyrinth.

3. The four random bosses before his encounter are unnecessary. We already killed four of his guardians to get to him, why are there four random very easy minibosses before him? Was it meant to be some other specifically designed ones or is it just for more loot? If it's the former then they should just be removed and if it's the latter then they should appear as "void chests" after you kill shaper. Now they serve no other purpose other than to waste our time.

First good post in this thread.


Let me add a comparison with Starcraft:

Poe is a bit like if you were able to become the very best Starcraft player by only 5 gating every opponent in every single match at any time.

PoE is like that. You take the most abusive build which allows you to skip most or all relevant phases of a well designed and well played out macro game.

What GGG has never understood, is, that you divide strengthes and weeknesses evenly over the classes or races of the game.

What they instead used to do and still do is putting everything into the same hands:

The same glass cannon build that level 2x as fast as average,
will do boss fights 4x as quickly and safely,
and get rich 8x as much due to the gear which these builds use will increase in value (demand) and eventually in parts become legacy (cause op).

That is PoE in a nutshell. Nothing more and nothing less.


When you then blame GGG about bad design, those abusive 5-gate players come and insist the game must evolve around that kind of gameplay. That is what you see here in this thread.

A good design could split strengthes and weaknesses up or in fact remove everything else than 5-gate abuse and make it the game. Neither does PoE.

For example could those ranged glass-cannons be fastest in leveling while they have a hard time in killing bosses efficiently while a well armored but slow melee guy could be better for killing bosses but be slower in leveling.

It is not that hard to implement, but it is a matter of being willing to do so. As there is no will (evidentially), people are well adviced to move on. Or just become part of that abusive 5-gate only play that the game evolves around and build your ego on that yourself.

Yep hate to repeat myself but it's just another thing D2 did right again! I can't even count how many people complain about starting maps in general and die instantly. They have close to or maxed res, a decent dps, and defenses, but they go around and get one shot on even tier 3 maps LOL! Then you fast forward to a really good player and you've got EVERYTHING but still even if you do a fight perfectly good ole POE RNG steps in and you die from literally nothing. I just don't see the appeal to having to avoid every single enemy perfectly after like tier 8+ because no matter what you're a glass cannon. I mean haven't they seen how many people complain about how literally pointless defense, evasion, maxed res, and damage reduction are? They become virtually pointless after a certain point so wtf even is the point!? ROFL

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Pyrokar wrote:

OP didn't provide many reasons why Shaper is such a badly designed fight, so let me help:

1. The hitboxes are really bad. I have been hit by many of his and some of his "uncreated" minion attacks even when i was clearly out of the way or in zana's bubble.

2. Kill fast or go home designs (arena fills with x/ boss gets stroger the longer you take to kill y) promotes only big dps numbers, not so much defence, as it renders most defensive builds useless. A well designed bossfight would reward any previous choice you made in the game. Makes the game feel one-demensional and not complex at all. Same with the labyrinth.

3. The four random bosses before his encounter are unnecessary. We already killed four of his guardians to get to him, why are there four random very easy minibosses before him? Was it meant to be some other specifically designed ones or is it just for more loot? If it's the former then they should just be removed and if it's the latter then they should appear as "void chests" after you kill shaper. Now they serve no other purpose other than to waste our time.

i have said this a few times as well in other threads (or somthing similar)
make more and more bosses that have an "enrage" is a horrible design choice. with enrage i mean that the area getts filled with more and more stuff be it minions aore deadly aoe zones.
ppl should be allowed to "zerg" down a boss,if tehy are able to avoid/dodge the deadly skillshots/attacks for the full duration of the fight.
ppl that would fight the bosses in those long fight would often do it just to see if they can beat the boss wth a build,but since its mostly a dps race many ppl dont even bother trying.

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UnholyHanma wrote:

Yep hate to repeat myself but it's just another thing D2 did right again!

D2 didn't even have an endgame, so what exactly are you comparing PoE maps to?

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I can't even count how many people complain about starting maps in general and die instantly. They have close to or maxed res, a decent dps, and defenses, but they go around and get one shot on even tier 3 maps

That only happens if you don't have enough life to go with your max resists. That's just a learn to play issue.