General Discussion - This game's curve is seriously out of whack... - Forum

" JoannaDark wrote: " Daxtreme wrote: " ShadyC wrote: Bna, here's my issue though. My combined health + ES is actually NOT low, realistically. Internet classic. Take a word, put it in caps, add "actually" before, and it somehow becomes true. Bad news for you bro: your combined HP and ES are low. I went act 3 cruel with my CI witch with over 3000 ES, all maxed resists, reliable life leech, 100% chaos res (obviously) and I thought I was still incredibly squishy. It's funny how you're like "MY Es and HP are NOT low!!1one" and yet... you are facing the results yourself: you keep on dying, you can't face mobs, you can't even progress. You're like a little kid who's in denial because he so dearly doesn't want it to be true. No - whats funny is this games stack hit point model... Bad AI is bad AI. Lets just buff their damage. So, you'd prefer the early Diablo III days? 120k DPS demon hunters/wizards with 500 hp one-shotting everything, then dying to something pitiful? I don't. Stacking HP is the only way balance can be properly maintained in a game. IGN: TimeForSpectralThrow / iLikeShockNova	Posted by Daxtreme#7537 on Mar 13, 2013, 1:43:17 PM Quote this Post
this is such a newb fucking cry thread. i can't believe it has 4 pages of replies. most things all the way up to level 65 only cost about 1-2 chaos. this game is not really made for solos. it's tough to get a solo build that works. the only easy way to solo is summoner. IGN StoleUrItem or CesareBorgia	Posted by creativedell#6747 on Mar 13, 2013, 1:45:33 PM Quote this Post
" Daxtreme wrote: So, you'd prefer the early Diablo III days? 120k DPS demon hunters/wizards with 500 hp one-shotting everything, then dying to something pitiful? I don't. Stacking HP is the only way balance can be properly maintained in a game. Why bother having an extensive skill tree then?	Posted by darkcoug#7799 on Mar 13, 2013, 1:49:12 PM Quote this Post
" creativedell wrote: this is such a newb fucking cry thread. i can't believe it has 4 pages of replies. most things all the way up to level 65 only cost about 1-2 chaos. this game is not really made for solos. it's tough to get a solo build that works. the only easy way to solo is summoner. While summoner is a great solo build, it isn't the only reliable one. It all comes down to the experience of the player and their capability as a gamer (reaction time, knowledge, etc...). Some examples of strong solo builds: These all assume heavy HP passives EA/EE build Any LA build A Leap Slam Build EK/Tank builds (Again a good gamer will be aware and capable of dealing with reflect) FP/GMP build (although gear dependent, it's extremely strong solo) And these are just the ones I've played around with up to level 80.	Posted by jdweber1982#3908 on Mar 13, 2013, 1:54:59 PM Quote this Post
" Daxtreme wrote: So, you'd prefer the early Diablo III days? 120k DPS demon hunters/wizards with 500 hp one-shotting everything, then dying to something pitiful? I don't. Stacking HP is the only way balance can be properly maintained in a game. Actually I, and many others, would prefer actual choices. Diablo 3 has many flaws, but at least some of its choices are real. This game had really good choices before , back when i joined in CB. Then don't know when this whole "GET ALL TEH LIFE" fiasco started. It just lies to you showing a great passive tree where 80% of it is SHIT , and you dont even need to put a single damn point in it. It's not a fucking choice, its an illusion. If they added a new node circle with many "sword only damage nodes" do you think any build would be affected? no, no one would give a fuck because they dont fucking matter. The game needs some very deep rebalancing, going full life is stupid. The defenses should be an ACTUAL choice between how to improve your EHP, not jsut getting life % and static life on gear. LIfe from the passives should be competittive with similar bonuses. If its 12% its always gonna be better than 10,20 or 30 strength, but it should be a choice between them. Who would get 30 to strength isntead of 12% life , or even 8% life. If with just the items, that 8% is going to be extremely better. There are no choices in the tree AT ALL in the current state of the balance. It was better before. And i truly believe and hope it will be better in the future.	Posted by incugus#4759 on Mar 13, 2013, 1:59:06 PM Quote this Post
Tons and tons of gear out there that can be an upgrade for you which will cost 1-3 chaos easy. However, I think your main problems are a) your talent tree and b) your overall hp stat. a) It seems to be you are going for some type of group build? Quite frankly, I'm confused by this build as a solo player. At first, I thought you were trying to do a shadow crit damage lightning strike build, but I guess not. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/42623 I thought you were referring to this build with your own tweaks. b) So apparently you are going for CI and that is one of the reasons why you have 0 hp nodes? However, in that guide and many others, there are certain stages where one needs to redistribute skill points if and when getting certain keystones. Another thing that really hurts you is the shadow is a fairly squishy class and has survivability issues playing solo around your lvl. Neglecting hp nodes before getting CI is a pretty grave mistake imo. Until you learned the game a little, this is one of the hardest characters to play efficiently. I'd really recommend looking at one of Invalesco's shadow builds as that should be able to help you out tremendously. Slinkston's STANDARD Shop! http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/197511 IGN: Slinkston	Posted by Slinkston#5125 on Mar 13, 2013, 2:01:06 PM Quote this Post
Hi there, Level 77 Hardcore Here. I agree that Act 3 Cruel is hard. It is probably the hardest portion of the game to complete for a solo, self-found player. That aside, it is possible. In fact, it is 100% possible and I have done it twice without dying. In terms of gear + build, you need as much HP/all resist as you can. You said that is is too hard to balance Armor, Evasion and All Resist and that is where I think your problems arise. Damage reduction from armor deminishes from how much damage you take. Against big hits, armor does next to nothing. Chance to evade from evasion rating diminishes based on how much accuracy the enemy monster has. Because of this, if you focus on both of these at the same time, you are diminishing the usefulness of the other as you get to higher difficulties. Looking at your energy shield it also appears that you are focusing on that, which means you are trying for 3 defenses. It took me a long time to understand this game, and that period basically served as a period where I built up a base of currency and items that I would use on my successful characters.	Posted by Crnm#5855 on Mar 13, 2013, 2:22:10 PM Quote this Post
" ShadyC wrote: Oh my god, I'm kinda mad right now... I had a whole typed up response, and went to view my character's skill tree and it redirected my current post to a new page. I hit back, and it's all erased. Oh well, lemme redo this a little shorter then, I suppose. Bna, here's my issue though. My combined health + ES is actually NOT low, realistically. I'm a Shadow. Now, I know Marauders are rocking something like 3k+ hp at this point. But in truth, that's kind of just not possible for me to have done. I grabbed a health bonus or two on my skills, but I grabbed a lot of bonus ES skills as well, and plan to spend the next 10 points or so in even more - and then after that, I plan to spend a few to add more block chance! I've definitely had survivability in mind. In fact, I've had it in mid more than damage or whatever else. My honest conclusion is quite literally that I cannot sit here and tell you that all 10 of my equipment slots are 100% top-notch and optimized as a level 50 character. I'll even show you my gear! As you can see, it's mostly pretty good! You might have some things to say here and there, like "your ring doesn't have health" or "there's no resistances on your whatever". But that's just back to what I said. I shouldn't be held back because of TINY little things like that, especially when I'm only level 50. And the problem with this is that I've been farming and setting up forum shops for over a week now. And this is what I have to show for it. That's all of my currency. And that's what? Slightly over an Exalted? Go check out what people are selling! Anything that's even considered an upgrade from my gear is STARTING BID 1x Exalted. It's at the point of ridiculousness for me, man. It's hard enough finding the items with the specific stats you need in the first place. Then when you finally do and the dude has a c/o of 3 Exalts and 2 GCP's, you just kinda... throw your hands up in the air and walk away. EDIT: I forgot to link my current build. http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAP0FtQzyDkgRLxGWFLAWvxdQF9gZ1x4aKCowVDY9OVI6MEwtTm1YB176YeJnvW0ZcFJw1XWKf8aCHofbiEKIa5lXmZqboZ2jpcumf6yYsbO0xbVItve8N8BRwcXB88Nt0DnUBeOE62PsGO1B7m_z6vfX_Kv_kw== I plan on going CI, but right now that would be suicidal. I'll have to wait on that I expect til I'm about 60 with appropriate gear. Btw, I'm permanently missing a skill point because I did Normal Mode's quest for Oak's +40 health. It's VERY sketchy of a possible reward being +1 skill point for killing all 3. You only learn this if you talk to the guy in town. But if you just wander from one bandit to the next and to the next, you aren't given that option. So, naturally, I thought there was no 4th option. :/ But that's a minor point. As many people said in this thread: HP is the most important defensive stat in this game, especially when you are melee. Spoiler http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAP0OSBEvEZYUsBa_F1AZ1x4aJDwmlSepKCowVDlSOjBJUUwtTm1VS1gHWm1h4me9bRlte3BSdYp_xoIeh9uIQohrjDaZV5mam6Gdo6Z_p1ysmLGztUi297w3wcXB88Nt1AXjhOtj7BjtQe5v8h3z6vfX_Kv_kw== This is just 15 or so skill points respecced but it should give you a lot more survivability. Divine Toughness should be the next nodes you get. I removed frenzy because it doesn't fit your build imo. You shouldn't have to many "active" skills imo. About your gear: try to get +HP on every single item and elemental resistances. You want at least 75% fire resistance in act 3. And 75% lightning resistance when you swap out a ring to fight piety. To make it easier to find new gear: i think one 4 link is enough at the point you are in the game: Lightning strike + Lesser multiple projectiles + weapon elemental damage +faster attacks (or life on hit). I never had a LS character but i think that's one of the better combinations. LIGHTNING STRIKE AUTOMATICALLY PIERCES REMOVE THAT PIERCE GEM ASAP. Last problem: your dagger has no +physical mods, you should try to find one with good physical damage. EDIT: One more thing :p, replace your chaos flask with a quicksilver flask and also get at least one instant heal potion, they save your life very often. Last edited by Sisaroth#5793 on Mar 13, 2013, 2:52:45 PM	Posted by Sisaroth#5793 on Mar 13, 2013, 2:47:40 PM Quote this Post
" ShadyC wrote: EDIT: I forgot to link my current build. http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAP0FtQzyDkgRLxGWFLAWvxdQF9gZ1x4aKCowVDY9OVI6MEwtTm1YB176YeJnvW0ZcFJw1XWKf8aCHofbiEKIa5lXmZqboZ2jpcumf6yYsbO0xbVItve8N8BRwcXB88Nt0DnUBeOE62PsGO1B7m_z6vfX_Kv_kw== survivablitiy comes first then you get your damage nodes http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAP0FtQx9DPIOSBB_ES8RlhSwFr8XUBnXHRQeGiaVKCowVDY9NulJUUwtVUtVxmHibRlte3_Ggh6H24hCiGuPRplXmZqboaXLpn-nCKdcrJixs7TFtUi297iTwcXB88Ntxp7PZdDQ42rjhOtj7BjtQffX-tL_kw== that's your build but without the curses the critical strike nodes 2 energy shield delays static blows key benefits of new tree old Stats +20 to Strength +90 to Dexterity +180 to Intelligence Life 10% increased maximum Life new +60 to Strength +90 to Dexterity +240 to Intelligence Life 92% increased maximum Life +20 to maximum Life Misc 30% increased Effect of Buffs on You <----- this is key - it increases all your auras and you're still right next to all your old nodes so you can get them as you level up however, if you want to go CI then you could try http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAP0MfQ5IEHsQfxEvEZYUsBXXFr8XUBnXHhooKisKLL8wVDvhTC1WY2NDbRl_xoIehq6H24hCiGuPRplXmZqboaZ_pwismLGztMW1SLb3uJO-OsEAwcXB88Lsw23GntDQ14bbGuL344TrY-wY7UHy4fVL99f_kw== which gives you these stats Spoiler Keystone Chaos Inoculation: Maximum Life becomes 1, Immune to Chaos Damage Stats +80 to Dexterity +220 to Intelligence Mana +20 to maximum Mana Physical Damage 54% increased Physical Damage with One Handed Melee Weapons Lightning Damage 30% increased Lightning Damage with Weapons Resistance +20% to all Elemental Resistances Attack Speed 18% increased Attack Speed Power Charge +1 Maximum Power Charge 15% increased Power Charge Duration Evasion 86% increased Evasion Rating Energy Shield 133% increased maximum Energy Shield 45% increased Energy Shield Cooldown Recovery 20% more Maximum Energy Shield Movement 7% increased Movement Speed Misc 30% increased Effect of Buffs on You " creativedell wrote: ... this game is not really made for solos. it's tough to get a solo build that works. the only easy way to solo is summoner. and you have no idea what you're talking about Nugi made an elemental cleave build that soloed up to level 78 hardcore using only self found gear and he did it in less than a week ... Last edited by jamesl#0818 on Mar 13, 2013, 3:21:09 PM	Posted by jamesl#0818 on Mar 13, 2013, 2:49:29 PM Quote this Post
" jamesl wrote: " ShadyC wrote: EDIT: I forgot to link my current build. http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAP0FtQzyDkgRLxGWFLAWvxdQF9gZ1x4aKCowVDY9OVI6MEwtTm1YB176YeJnvW0ZcFJw1XWKf8aCHofbiEKIa5lXmZqboZ2jpcumf6yYsbO0xbVItve8N8BRwcXB88Nt0DnUBeOE62PsGO1B7m_z6vfX_Kv_kw== survivablitiy comes first then you get your damage nodes http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAP0FtQx9DPIOSBB_ES8RlhSwFr8XUBnXHRQeGiaVKCowVDY9NulJUUwtVUtVxmHibRlte3_Ggh6H24hCiGuPRplXmZqboaXLpn-nCKdcrJixs7TFtUi297iTwcXB88Ntxp7PZdDQ42rjhOtj7BjtQffX-tL_kw== that's your build but without the curses the critical strike nodes 2 energy shield delays static blows key benefits of new tree old Stats +20 to Strength +90 to Dexterity +180 to Intelligence Life 10% increased maximum Life new +60 to Strength +90 to Dexterity +240 to Intelligence Life 92% increased maximum Life +20 to maximum Life Misc 30% increased Effect of Buffs on You <----- this is key - it increases all your auras and you're still right next to all your old nodes so you can get them as you level up however, if you want to go CI then you could try http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAP0MfQ5IEHsQfxEvEZYUsBXXFr8XUBnXHhooKisKLL8wVDvhTC1WY2NDbRl_xoIehq6H24hCiGuPRplXmZqboaZ_pwismLGztMW1SLb3uJO-OsEAwcXB88Lsw23GntDQ14bbGuL344TrY-wY7UHy4fVL99f_kw== which gives you these stats Spoiler Keystone Chaos Inoculation: Maximum Life becomes 1, Immune to Chaos Damage Stats +80 to Dexterity +220 to Intelligence Mana +20 to maximum Mana Physical Damage 54% increased Physical Damage with One Handed Melee Weapons Lightning Damage 30% increased Lightning Damage with Weapons Resistance +20% to all Elemental Resistances Attack Speed 18% increased Attack Speed Power Charge +1 Maximum Power Charge 15% increased Power Charge Duration Evasion 86% increased Evasion Rating Energy Shield 133% increased maximum Energy Shield 45% increased Energy Shield Cooldown Recovery 20% more Maximum Energy Shield Movement 7% increased Movement Speed Misc 30% increased Effect of Buffs on You " creativedell wrote: ... this game is not really made for solos. it's tough to get a solo build that works. the only easy way to solo is summoner. and you have no idea what you're talking about Nugi made an elemental cleave build that soloed up to level 78 hardcore using only self found gear and he did it in less than a week ... And cleave builds existed months before nugi even started playing this game. There like four pages of trolled people here....	Posted by Loi#5494 on Mar 13, 2013, 3:33:52 PM Quote this Post