Path of Exile - ProjectPT Was Right Expansion

The only thing that concerns me is that when i started playing POE, their answer towards item sets was something like:
We never want a character's gear to be final so there's always the chance of looting/trading for something better. Having a set that only works as a set would mean the opposite by making it's parts inexchangable.

A design concept i greatly admired because it showed they had a clear vision on what to have and what NOT to have in the game.

...kinda blurry by now.
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Scherge wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is that when i started playing POE, their answer towards item sets was something like:
We never want a character's gear to be final so there's always the chance of looting/trading for something better. Having a set that only works as a set would mean the opposite by making it's parts inexchangable.

A design concept i greatly admired because it showed they had a clear vision on what to have and what NOT to have in the game.

...kinda blurry by now.


In short, their answer about set was something like:
"Sets reduce itemization diversity".

And it's one of very FEW cases, where i totally support GGG's opinion. I've played many ARPGs, and most of them had sets, and i came to conclusion - i DONT want to have any sets in my "perfect ARPG". If some items are meant to be worn together, and synergyze well, they should make it NATURALLY, with proper stats on each item. Set bonus is a very "cheap way" for that. And indeed, it DOES limit diversity, from my experience.

However, most of GGG's balance/gameplay decitions are still beyond stupid.
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Alea wrote:
harbinger orbs nerf...
Hearing about this shit since i just leveled my zana 8

So yep, just sucks.


This is a top meme. You need to spend something close to 300C to get a single Harbinger orb.
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Last edited by Kiss_Me_Quick#4554 on Mar 24, 2018, 7:52:56 PM
I kind of browsed through most of your points but near the start you talked about the game being so rng gated. This really hit me this league.. I mean I've kind of felt this the past few leagues but this league I flat out wasn't having any fun.

Everything in this game is the roll of the dice. Beastiary as a league sucks but this patch for me was more about the asc class changes. Well I am literally still 5/6 because the game won't let me, I can easily crush the lab/izaro but the game hasn't decided to give me that shot. Of all the breachs, 0 chayula, 0 uul netol (forgot his exact spelling), no lich fights.. my prophecy chart is sitting with "Kill this type of enemey and he will drop a fated unique"... well I don't have those uniques, I don't want them, and I keep trashing prophecies because the majority of them suck. Everything I've attempted to craft via bestiary league has been garbage.. like way worse then essence crafting.

But it's not even just that.. everything in this game relies so heavily on this dice roll. I've just grown tired of this.. I realize the game is "balanced" around trading but I don't literally want to trade for every item. I want to work towards some goals myself by playing the game. Having to use the atlas as a form of money making just to go about poe.trade to try out content just isn't fun anymore. Not to mention poe.trade as a trading site is alright but its still full of frustrating moments that I just don't care to deal with anymore.

I feel this awkward attachment to the game having played it for many years now, but it has worn me down over time. This doesn't feel like the hardcore arpg it was originally designed for.. but at times a glorified slot machine. The enemies are so weak now that you plow through them hoping that you'll strike gold. I feel like I'm constantly searching for the fun in this game only to come up empty.
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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Scherge wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is that when i started playing POE, their answer towards item sets was something like:
We never want a character's gear to be final so there's always the chance of looting/trading for something better. Having a set that only works as a set would mean the opposite by making it's parts inexchangable.

A design concept i greatly admired because it showed they had a clear vision on what to have and what NOT to have in the game.

...kinda blurry by now.


In short, their answer about set was something like:
"Sets reduce itemization diversity".

And it's one of very FEW cases, where i totally support GGG's opinion. I've played many ARPGs, and most of them had sets, and i came to conclusion - i DONT want to have any sets in my "perfect ARPG". If some items are meant to be worn together, and synergyze well, they should make it NATURALLY, with proper stats on each item. Set bonus is a very "cheap way" for that. And indeed, it DOES limit diversity, from my experience.

However, most of GGG's balance/gameplay decitions are still beyond stupid.

It's that sets in particular are the worst case i can imagine (i actually don't care, i simply won't use tzhem) but the fact that GGG went the exact opposite of one very clearly defined design principle.

Of course from the getgo there was the question if they'd implement sets like in D2 and they were always like "no, that's not gonna happen for a good reason. that defines our game and it's core idea"
and now see what has become of that.

it's not the problem, but a symptom.
Last edited by Scherge#6940 on Mar 24, 2018, 9:32:06 PM
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e1337donkey wrote:
I kind of browsed through most of your points but near the start you talked about the game being so rng gated. This really hit me this league.. I mean I've kind of felt this the past few leagues but this league I flat out wasn't having any fun.

Everything in this game is the roll of the dice. Beastiary as a league sucks but this patch for me was more about the asc class changes. Well I am literally still 5/6 because the game won't let me, I can easily crush the lab/izaro but the game hasn't decided to give me that shot. Of all the breachs, 0 chayula, 0 uul netol (forgot his exact spelling), no lich fights.. my prophecy chart is sitting with "Kill this type of enemey and he will drop a fated unique"... well I don't have those uniques, I don't want them, and I keep trashing prophecies because the majority of them suck. Everything I've attempted to craft via bestiary league has been garbage.. like way worse then essence crafting.

But it's not even just that.. everything in this game relies so heavily on this dice roll. I've just grown tired of this.. I realize the game is "balanced" around trading but I don't literally want to trade for every item. I want to work towards some goals myself by playing the game. Having to use the atlas as a form of money making just to go about poe.trade to try out content just isn't fun anymore. Not to mention poe.trade as a trading site is alright but its still full of frustrating moments that I just don't care to deal with anymore.

I feel this awkward attachment to the game having played it for many years now, but it has worn me down over time. This doesn't feel like the hardcore arpg it was originally designed for.. but at times a glorified slot machine. The enemies are so weak now that you plow through them hoping that you'll strike gold. I feel like I'm constantly searching for the fun in this game only to come up empty.


Yeah, I felt it massively in the beginning of this league and was one of the reasons why I gave up so fast.
I play league starts and enjoy them a lot just because I can challenge myself to make a super strong build and start playing dangerous maps as early as possible to get an advantage on the market.
Now, you'll almost never be at a state where maps might be too dangerous for you while you're leveling or filling atlas.
When before I had to have 90% of my attention span in the game, now you might as well just pick shield charge and watch TV meanwhile because you're forced to play maps that aren't even dangerous. Not even joking.
There are many elements which can be used to generate players fun - Progress, lore, mechanical skill, strategy, socializing and random rewards. Random rewards are the easiest and laziest to implement and also can be more easily used as a tool to condition players into a specific mindset, hence this is the path that has been taken.
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e1337donkey wrote:


I feel this awkward attachment to the game having played it for many years now, but it has worn me down over time. This doesn't feel like the hardcore arpg it was originally designed for.. but at times a glorified slot machine. The enemies are so weak now that you plow through them hoping that you'll strike gold. I feel like I'm constantly searching for the fun in this game only to come up empty.


Exactly what I feel as well. One red map aften another, and it's nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing... After some time I go and trade my currency, get some chaos/exalts, buy the crap I need. Rince and repeat.

It's like you have nothing to look for. Even bosses like Shaper have high chance of dropping some trash instead of starforge/dying sun, so it's usually more profitable (at least for me) to just sell the sets, and, once again, buy what I want with currency.

And that feeling with monsters (with rare exceptions) being no challenge whatsoever, I second that. You just faceroll everything, occasionally ripping to some RNG burst damage or server side issue. Not really exciting anymore.

One of my friends left the game for this reason. He finally assebmled the build that he wanted, and then decided to fill out the Atlas by himself... and he got bored and left. He said something among the lines of "I just faceroll everything, get no exciting drops whatsoever, the maps I need for progress don't drop and I hate trading, bosses also die easily and don't drop anything. What's the point?".
Last edited by MECHanokl#1095 on Mar 25, 2018, 5:27:14 AM
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mark1030 wrote:
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Pyrokar wrote:
. From what i heard they are planning to create a PTR server (or w/e it's called) to test leagues before releasing them, just like D3. This game is yours, don't worry. The D3 players dictate how this game develops for a long time now.
I think you heard wrong. I think all they said was that they would add league mechanics to the alpha realm so alpha testers can test it before release.


yep, but to be effective they would have to substantially buff alpha to the level of their inhouse testers. won't happen. and i even understand their concerns, it's risky.

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what i love about those rage threads: they show the poster still cares about the game.

what i dislike: most are solely argumenting from the player's perspective. which is valid but not if you're demanding changes to the game.
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vio wrote:

what i love about those rage threads: they show the poster still cares about the game.

what i dislike: most are solely argumenting from the player's perspective. which is valid but not if you're demanding changes to the game.


I minimally care about the game anymore, too much what is good is destroyed forever, most disturbing of them being global chat extreme censorship and overmodding on the forums for me. Just having a discussion now. I feel like a Destiny 2 player now - following and discussing what's up but even a new expansion is very unlikely to rekindle my interest but not impossible.

I don't advocate for things that I solely personally prefer. I am very sure that going towards a direction of a cookie clicker + slot machine is not something that most of the players want. On Friday's peak there were 48K active players, that's enough proof. These people don't put much thought into what's happening right now and stop caring without any information given to them.
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Last edited by Kiss_Me_Quick#4554 on Mar 25, 2018, 9:35:06 AM

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