If the net neutrality repeal vote goes through
" It's not my fault reality paints an incredibly negative picture of the right. Some groups are simply bad. I gave plenty of factual examples of ways in which they're awful. There are countless more. If I was pointing out a host of negative facts about NAMBLA or the Nazis, people would be agreeing that they're repulsive. Republicans have a wholly undeserved veneer of respectability and reasonableness, though. That will fade. History will view see them in the same light as the most morally and intellectually bankrupt political movements of the past. I'm also annoyed that Ajit Pai's being painted as some big villain here. He's a typical Republican politician toeing the party line. If you replaced him with practically any other Republican in office, the result would have been the same. Republicans in their entirety are the problem, not this one asshole. |
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" lol you make it sound like every republic ever is futurama Nixon lol  I dont see any any key!
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whatever your stance on the matter, not much can really change from today to tomorrow regardless of the outcome.
As explained previously, the FCC ruling is barely the beginning here... Who knows what the ultimate outcome will be? But, regardless, think this through. As long as there's such a thing as competition in local markets, you won't be seeing a $5 surcharge from your ISP for netflix usage. OR a $5 surcharge from netflix because of your connection from within the time-warner network. What you might begin to see are incentives to use your provider's affiliated services. A deal between time-warner and HBO for instance, exempting HBO streaming data from your monthly data quota. A tightening of data quotas in general. Reality will be a little more insidious, a little less obvious to spot. -- I don't have alpha access, that was a LONG time ago. Last edited by Zakaluka#1191 on Dec 19, 2017, 2:24:20 PM
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This is Day 6 without Net Neutrality. I will be posting in this thread every day until all the doom and gloom that the left promised would happen actually does happen. Remember, we were told our internet will now come in packages and we will have to pay every time we dl something or post on a forum. As of today that has not happened. So far they are liars. We'll see how tomorrow goes.
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Please get this thread out of General Discussion.
Thanks. Last edited by Shagsbeard#3964 on Dec 20, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
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" you are gona be doing this for a while. this is the government nothing happens fast . now we are at the stage where all the various interested parties will appeal the decision to a higher body such as a court , senate or congress. I would expect months of legal battles to ensue over this before anything tangible happens By the time something of real merit happens we will be past a point of going back on it. That is simply how things are. |
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He's not going to listen, Salty. He's only here to 'git one over' on us 'damn dirty lib'rals' who're getting in the way of The Free Market
As I just stated in my latest letter to Congress on the issue: the Title II "Utility" classification for ISPs is correct. It was not done on a whim, it was not done because Title II was "close enough". Internet service is a vital part of a modern citizen's life; it is only slightly less necessary than power, water, or any other utility-style service which someone is obligated to purchase. These obligated-to-buy services are classified as utilities and are protected from the normal pressures and instabilities inherent in free-market competitive situations because we as citizens need these things to work. We need them to be there, we need them to be steady and reliable, and we need them to not churn and die all the time as the "Free Market" gropes blindly towards some theoretical 'best' way to turn our money into Internet access. If a company benefits from the anti-competition protections set up for utility companies to ensure stable and reliable service, they are also obligated to accept the restrictions and regulations imposed on utility companies to ensure they are not abusing their unique position as being next to the market rather than part of the market. Big Telecom is currently benefit from many of these anti-competition protections, ensuring they are not truly part of "The Free Market", but are now demanding release from the rules and regulations which are part and parcel of the Utility Company deal. You don't get to do that. You don't get to cut both ways. or rather, you shouldn't get to cut both ways. Either you're a utility company because you provide a vital, necessary, and obligatory service to consumers that requires a level of stability unavailable to companies in The Free Market, or you're a regular ol' company - and thus it's time for Big Telecom to get whammy-hammered with all the antitrust, anti-monopoly, Fair Competition laws they've been dodging for decades. Unless willfully ignorant sorts such as a name I'm specifically not mentioning here continue to push to allow these companies to both be protected from competition by government regulations WHILE ALSO being exempt from the consumer protections put in place specifically for their personal consumery benefit to hold these protected companies back from gouging as they like from their position of protected inviolability. She/Her
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I havent read the pages and pages of responses, Im responding to the OP.
First of all Im someone who has been very involved in politics for about 17 years. Ive also worked in government the last 11 years. The issue of net neutrality is WAY WAY WAY overblown. Most of these big headline grabbing events are overblown by one side or the other because we live in such a partisan society now that each side just wants to take scalps rather than actually accomplish something. Most people seem to not realize that net neutrality was only put into place in early 2015. Anyone notice any issues prior to 2015 with the internet? The internet was fine before net neutrality and it will be fine after its gone. Ive seen some truly ridiculous claims from people on this issue. Its so important in these times to educate yourself and be informed on the issues, or you will be manipulated over and over again by manufactured outrage, and there is a LOT of fake outrage out there today. There are groups working full time, day and night, to make you angry about something when you wake up every morning, so that you will go out like a mindless drone and do what they hope you will do to reach an outcome that benefits them in ways you cant even imagine. I could go really into the weeds on this issue and why its so overblown but id just waste my time typing out an essay. Everyone should go educate themselves though on this issue. |
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" Part of the pages and pages of responses you've not read addressed your concern. Prior to 2015, the Internet was protected by what one poster termed the Invisible Gun. The FCC's stance on whether ISPs could do certain things (such as throttling or blocking access to certain sites or compartmentalizing/"Value Add Package Service"-ing their plans) was "maybe. It's never come up. Try it out and see - you may get lucky, or you may get litigated into oblivion." After 2015, the answer to "can we do blatantly anti-consumer things such as deny our users access to parts of the Internet we don't like, blind them to any competitor for our substandard overpriced offerings, or charge them multiple times for the same poor service?" is "No. No you cannot do those things you wankjobs, ISP properly." This caused a backlash with Big Telecom companies, who wanted the promise of being able to be the Final Arbiters of Internetdom and being given the ability to freely gouge our wallets and choke out competition before they do things like replace half-century old infrastructure which is literally rotting out from under them. After the Pai vote, if it gets past all the hurdles left for it to face? The answer to "can we do blatantly anti-consumer things such as deny our users access to parts of the Internet we don't like, blind them to any competitor for our substandard overpriced offerings, or charge them multiple times for the same poor service?" will be "absolutely. Go nuts." The official protections of Net Neutrality and Title II classification will be gone. The unofficial protections of the Invisible Gun will also be gone. Ajit Pai's "voluntary compliance" promises are blatant lies; he's not even trying to convince us he's not lying through his eminently breakable teeth when he tells us that Big Telecom will "voluntarily" hold itself to a code of conduct that attempts to enforce good-faith rules of ethics and service. They've been agitating for two years now to get out from under the code of conduct that's already enforcing their good* faith. Why would anyone believe they'll hold themselves to any other code of conduct when they've spent two years doing their dead-level best to kill this one? Again, I ask people: why are these companies so desperate to break these laws, spending millions on legal and lobbying fees, and otherwise doing everything currently within their power to shatter Neutrality if they don't intend to take merciless advantage of Neutrality being gone? She/Her Last edited by 1453R#7804 on Dec 20, 2017, 10:50:18 AM
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" I agree I have yet to see a single general discussed in this thread! so whats everyones view on MacArthur? im a big fan of the pipe  I dont see any any key!
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