The real reason Evasion isn't viable

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Hydrogenium wrote:

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ziggro wrote:

"What? I cant dodge 85% of the incoming attacks? evasion sux"

Just to show you how dumb you are, I can easily do that with armor and resist + shield block. Actually 85% is rather small. With aura's/legendary items I am more around 99% for everything except chaos.

But this was not the point. The point was whatever evasion he has (be it 85% or 40%) it can be COMPLETELY ignored by certain common skills.

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Hydrogenium wrote:

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ziggro wrote:

"What? I cant dodge 85% of the incoming attacks? evasion sux"

Just to show you how dumb you are, I can easily do that with armor and resist + shield block. Actually 85% is rather small. With aura's/legendary items I am more around 99% for everything except chaos.

But this was not the point. The point was whatever evasion he has (be it 85% or 40%) it can be COMPLETELY ignored by certain common skills.

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0nin wrote:

Remember all that discussion about the true mechanics behind Evasion and the comparative math between Evasion and Armour proving that Evasion is theoretically equal if not better than Armour? It encouraged me to get an Evasion-based build to endgame and see just how well that theory works in practice. I can say that it's surprisingly effective on the lower difficulties and easily brought me to act 2 Merciless. And that's when I hit a brick wall.

There's a very easy reason why Evasion isn't viable, especially for HC. It's not the random chance that maybe a crit still lands and kills you. It actually has nothing to do with randomness. The real reason?

Vaal Constructs.
Leap Slam.
Projectile Weakness.
More Vaal Constructs.
Ethereal Knives and Bear Trap.
Leap Slam again.
Shield Charge.

These abilities deal Physical(+Chaos) damage, and cannot be evaded. At all. Projectile Weakness reduces your evasion to pretty much 0.

Evasion is the only defense in the game that is COMPLETELY NEGATED by several different abilities. ES gets countered by Chaos, but you can stack Chaos resistance or invest in CI. Armour gets countered by elemental-based attacks, but you can stack elemental resistances. There is no option for Evasion to prevent being countered by these abilities, except stacking more Armour. If that's your best option, why wouldn't you just wear Armour from the getgo?


I ran through Chambers of Sin with 0 deaths. I died half a dozen times in the Waterfall Cave level 1 to groups of skeletons that I've never feared on any character ever.
I took more damage from Vaal's constuct adds, than from his own lasers.

Screw randomness, it's the existence of 100% accuracy attacks that makes Evasion even moer unreliable than Armour.

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Tykero wrote:

People keep saying Charge attacks can't be evaded, but this does not jive with my experience. I've personally seen my character do the "hitstun dodge" animation in response to a charge hitting me, and taken no damage. In fact, this happens to me quite frequently.

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killbilly wrote:

apart from that evasion IS the random mitigation stat...it always be and will continue to be like that...

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Tykero wrote:

People keep saying Charge attacks can't be evaded, but this does not jive with my experience. I've personally seen my character do the "hitstun dodge" animation in response to a charge hitting me, and taken no damage. In fact, this happens to me quite frequently.