Pure Zombie Necromancer build?

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Peterlerock wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

going life as a league starter is fine in my opinion just do not use umbilicus.

Doing the SSF thing, so I can't really plan for Umbilicus, sadly.

Montregul is reasonable for SSF (only 4 Death cards, and I like the maps where I can farm it), for the 5th Zombie I'll rely on the common Bones of Ullr, a talisman or a chestpiece.

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Btw: New skilltree connects the two summoner clusters between templar and witch.
No other significant changes, as far as I can tell.

Zealot's oath is easier to get and there's an ES/EV cluster next to the aura node between ranger/shadow that we can reach now with just 1 dex node pathing.

MoM changes are huge if we go for a life build

Just a couple more noob questions for my upcoming MoM/ZO/EB zombie girl...

Minion survivability:
*At Death Attunement and Grave Pact, can I skip the minion life nodes to save points?
*Do I need the block nodes behind necromantic aegis?

Auras:
When I use 3 aura clusters (Sovereignty, Leadership and Influence), I have 22% reduced reservation. The 4th aura cluster (Charisma) is out of reach within the 110 points I plan for (even though the dex on the way would help).
I'd like Hatred (+Generosity), Discipline, lvl 1 clarity (maybe on BM).
What else would you take? Haste? How am I supposed to get 155 dex for it? ;-)

Really starving for skillpoints here...
The tree I want has 123, which is a bit too much (click me, 2.6 copied from offline planner). ;-)

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Peterlerock wrote:

Just a couple more noob questions for my upcoming MoM/ZO/EB zombie girl...

Minion survivability:
*At Death Attunement and Grave Pact, can I skip the minion life nodes to save points?
*Do I need the block nodes behind necromantic aegis?

Auras:
When I use 3 aura clusters (Sovereignty, Leadership and Influence), I have 22% reduced reservation. The 4th aura cluster (Charisma) is out of reach within the 110 points I plan for (even though the dex on the way would help).
I'd like Hatred (+Generosity), Discipline, lvl 1 clarity (maybe on BM).
What else would you take? Haste? How am I supposed to get 155 dex for it? ;-)

Really starving for skillpoints here...
The tree I want has 123, which is a bit too much (click me, 2.6 copied from offline planner). ;-)

This is where ultra optimization comes in . my gear is hand tailored to meet the rediculous demands the gems put on it.

my current gear setup puts me at exactly 155 str and 155 dex.

if you noticed my gear did not have any minion speed essence crafts.. this is because i found i .. need a shitload of dex and str .. something like 5 or 6 affixes on my gear is str or dex.


for a zombie build do not skip life nodes if you can help it .. even i am planning to get that final life node in the spectre wheel for my build. life is everything for zombies the more you have the more regen they have the larger spike damage they can take and more importantly the more of all that your spectres have.


my variant of the build uses ilevel 60 monkeys .. those things are brittle fuckers .. but they can survive t15 content because i have 190% minion life on the tree and i capped their resistances.


experience tells me (from doing about .. fuck 12 summoners now) that is rarely worth trying to make an extra aura fit your build. not only because of the over investment into a specific gem or passive on the tree but also because you have to give up a precious gem slot for what abount to what some damage stats and maybe a small boost?


leave large amounts of auras to the low life variants of summoners.. my recommendation is 3 .. 3 auras and no more. this allows you to ignore alot of nodes you would have to sacrifice to the aura vampires


in this case haste is what i would call a stretch goal . you can only use it onm y build if and only if you have money out your bum and can afford a level 4 enlighten. .. or that was the case until the new skill tree just gifted my build 2 free passive points THANK YOU new ZO spot.


realistically your core three for the umbilicus build would be discipline vitality and purity of elements . purity of elements takes about 3 affix slots of gear pressure off of you .. so that you can actually afford to roll fear essence jewerly.. i very much recommend it over haste for league play. keep in mind you goal is to make umbilicus work for you.. sacrificing haste to do that is a trivial thing i would do instantly.


even if you go life as an opener i would still recommend purtiy of elements simply because it means 1 less gem slot and 3 more affixes to play with .. plus it helps your minions by capping out their resistances (which is NOT OPTIONAL)


Allow me a few moments to look at your tree.

ahh yeah you fell into the aura trap

give up on that 4th aura it is not worth it and everything after harrier is unnecessary plus a second curse will do more for your build here than a 4th aura ever will because your 2nd curse would probably be enfeeble or vulnerability which are huge vs trash and important even vs bosses .

i would suggest dropping the 2 reservation nodes in sovereignty and pick up the aura effect node instead. you will obviously need to pick up a 30 dex node and you will need to look for dex on your jewelery and or gloves

if you really really want haste then what you can do is take the full sovereignty bubble and run a level 3 enlighten instead which should get you to run two 35s and a 50%

the mom setup is expensive on the passive i must caution you on this. it is a 5 passive tax

now on to pathing. honestly you take all three exits almost . which i also feel is a bit inefficient since it means you cant take that 30 dex or that 30 str between witch templar.

usually i path past that +1 curse bubble instead of pathing through occultists domination

side note your minions do actually need leech .. they do enough physical damage to kill themselves on reflect in the high end so i suggest dropping the 2 6% attack speed nodes by scion and picking up the life and leech node instead.

you can make up attack speed in a variety of other ways so dont worry about the loss


are you using victario's charity? if so then just necro aegis. if no then dont get aegis at all and stick with the blood magic frenzy monkeys

the leadership bubble is going to hurt for you but is doable but it might mean you cant take that juicy curse effect bubble next to scion life

do not neglect minion life in a zombie build. i can't stress this enough. even your jewels should be minion damage minion life jewels where possible

also you dont need to go for haste or vhaste in the beginning . there is nothing wrong with using a movement skill and vaal lightning trap instead

I was going to go with the build like this:
www.poeurl.com/5K7

With the new location of Zealot's Oath it seems like this could work out as well. Getting a Rare ES Chests with Life Regen Rolls and what not... with Beacon of Corruption from Necromancer giving you some extra chaos resistance as well as making your zombies leave caustic clouds on death.

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JeremiahLoh wrote:

I was going to go with the build like this:
www.poeurl.com/5K7

With the new location of Zealot's Oath it seems like this could work out as well. Getting a Rare ES Chests with Life Regen Rolls and what not... with Beacon of Corruption from Necromancer giving you some extra chaos resistance as well as making your zombies leave caustic clouds on death.

are you low life without shaves? because that is the only build that needs such an investment into chaos resistance.

you dont actually want your zombies dying. trust me their biggest perk is being a permanent minion that you dont need to dick around with re summoning and spirit eater is a monster node .. love that node



your build i feel lacks focus ..is it going ci? or low life? also dont bother with sanctity if you aren't a hybrid build .. if you are low life or ci .. sanctity is not worth the pathing.

you dont really need the 2 6%s in grave pact

you pathing to unnatural calm is .. unnatural. you can easily make getting that as part of being on the way rather than out of the way

btw you have a full circle passive chain which means you have unnecessary path nodes somewhere probably again occultists domination

why do so few people like dual curse setups .. curses are op really really op


Also so are jewels when you get your build hammered out in end game you will really want to start chasing jewels because they are a massive boon to your build.


my build has 7 jewel slot which means i have 60+ minion life and 90+ minion damage in jewels alone .. it is not subtle how good they are

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

realistically your core three for the umbilicus build would be discipline vitality and purity of elements.

Ok, that's easy (105% mana reserved). But I'd still want the aura clusters for their increased aura efficiency, right? Otherwise enlighten alone would already do the trick and I'd save a bunch of skillpoints. ;-)

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Peterlerock wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

realistically your core three for the umbilicus build would be discipline vitality and purity of elements.

Ok, that's easy (105% mana reserved). But I'd still want the aura clusters for their increased aura efficiency, right? Otherwise enlighten alone would already do the trick and I'd save a bunch of skillpoints. ;-)

my build only takes 2 aura clusters .. the one by templar and the one by ci ..i dont even take the one by necro aegis .. though you most certainly can if you want.


the trick is to get the low hanging fruit. get the easy aura nodes.
why do i get sovereignty ? well because i path past it
why do i get the one by ci? well because i am ci


that is the kind of thinking you need to have going in .. how much can i get for as little effort as possible.

my current aura effect is 36% which is plenty leader ship would put it to 48% which is good but as you notice it is not enough to do anything important.. you need 50% to get the extra +1 max res on purtiy auras (which dont really run anyway)

leadership is probably more useful for the area of effect .. but you can just buy some quality auras and be fine without it

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

now on to pathing. honestly you take all three exits almost . which i also feel is a bit inefficient since it means you cant take that 30 dex or that 30 str between witch templar.

If I take the outer highway, I don't get the jewel socket and life nodes next to MoM.

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are you using victario's charity? if so then just necro aegis. if no then dont get aegis at all and stick with the blood magic frenzy monkeys

You're probably right about this. As SSF, no Victario's Charity.

I think I like this lvl 90 tree:
click me
All minion stuff except NA.
Two Aura clusters, solid life and ES.
(If I find an Intuitive Leap, I'll add the two notables at Scion)

Thanks a lot for your help, btw! :-)

@Peterlerock
What Auras do you intend to use and are you going Pure Zombies or will you be using Spectres or did you get the Death Attunement mainly for the other minion effects? I'll probably try that build.