Trading in-game currencies and goods for some store items with GGG assistance

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PHJ82 wrote:

this is reported to staff Again

Why? What rule is it breaking?

The OP is using the Path of Exile forum to discuss one of their concerns in Path of Exile - now call me naive, but I am pretty sure that is allowed. Their request might be a good idea (or not), and you may agree with them (or not) - but if you're reporting the thread to staff you must think the thread is breaking one of the rules of the forum, and the case for that has not been made. Considering that the thread remains open, it doesn't look like GGG views the thread as a problem.

If you disagree with the OP - and I certainly do - then you're welcome to make your position clear, but that's not grounds for the moderation team to act. When discussion is stifled it can have a chilling effect where people who disagree with the status quo feel less confident posting and the forum descends into a mere echo chamber. I'd argue that critical feedback is the most important because it brings potential issues to GGG's attention so that they can be addressed. Positive posts are always nice to see, but they are less likely to result in change by their very nature.

As I've said in both this thread and elsewhere on the forum, my personal $0.02 is that this isn't the right way to go about things, but the topic of regional pricing is a valid concern and I do think game developers should do more to help those in countries with worse economies. While they may get less per purchase from those markets, they'd earn more than they do now with prices which are laughable when viewed in context. So, to summarise, the proposed solution may be flawed but the concern is a real one and it deserves discussion - that discussion doesn't harm anybody.

The report button is not an "I disagree" button and shouldn't be taken for one.

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lowfuel wrote:

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iNotSure wrote:

I don't care if you're to poor to buy MTX's or stashtabs, deal with it. Or get of your ass and work a bit instead of playing 8 hours a day.

Not a single fuck was given for your sad little situation.

What if he is unable to land a job?

What if he is not an adult yet?

What if he is already working/studying 8+ hours a day and uses all his money to pay his rent/food/medicine/familys needs instead?

Still you have zero sympathy right?

Get your head of out your ass please. OP has already proven himself a liar and you still fall for his sad words and actually believe him.

Sure I feel for people who are poor and are trying everything they can to have a bit of a normal life but that's not this guy.

- This guy stated he plays 8 hours a day. So we can assume he doesn't work for 8 hours a day as well.
- If he really was that poor he should be spending those 8 hours of playtime elsewhere (maybe in finding a job?).
- He is an adult. Even if his English is poor he states that he is from former USSR (damn, he must be really old, maybe even played Monopoly with Stalin).

So all your points are valid, but not in this case. OP is a liar and will keep on lying and it baffles me that you don't see this

Then on to the point where people say he has a legitimate point. Poor countries have to pay the same prices that even we (not poor countries) can find rather expensive.
That is a whole different discussion and if he had openend with that no one would have jumped on this one.
Instead he started with legalizing RMT and everything he said after that made him even more suspicious as Clark Kent not pretending to be Superman because he wears glasses.

So even though I get your stance and agree with that point of view, it doesn't work in this case.

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lowfuel wrote:

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iNotSure wrote:

I don't care if you're to poor to buy MTX's or stashtabs, deal with it. Or get of your ass and work a bit instead of playing 8 hours a day.

Not a single fuck was given for your sad little situation.

What if he is unable to land a job?

What if he is not an adult yet?

What if he is already working/studying 8+ hours a day and uses all his money to pay his rent/food/medicine/familys needs instead?

Still you have zero sympathy right?

If he has these problems then buying MTX in a game should not be his priority. Sorry but being able to buy MTX in a game is not a need, it's a luxury.

Is it unfair that the exchange rate in some countries is bad? Sure it is, but that's not GGG's fault. I mean there was the Garena server right? I don't know what prices they had there but if anything that was a good opportunity to provide cheaper mtx. However the Garena Russian server for whatever reason has failed.

Even if GGG tried to impose difference prices per region (which would probably be hard to enforce), this might not have been profitable for GGG because in the end the money they get is in dollars.

In the end this game has a business model that benefits most people: Those who can afford MTX get a cosmetic advantage in game and this helps everyone else to be able to play a cool game.

Solving financial inequality in the world is not GGG's problem. Sure it's a big problem, but it needs a different level of effort from everyone to be improved.


As for OP, he is most likely a troll imo.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

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And RMT does NOT mean only money. If I washed your car for a weapon effect, that is still RMT. You are trading out of game goods and services for in game items. That is not allowed.

Don't worry though, I have more than made Support aware of this thread in case they weren't aware of it already.

Thank you. I just got done with a 12 hour shift followed by a 14 hour shift and at this point, the mental gymnastics OP is spouting that is encouraging an RMT friendly PoE without being locked made me want to cry getting home from work. :P

just to get the terms right:

rmt is if somebody directly pays another player real money for ingame goods or if somebody is able to get real money out of a game by selling ingame goods.

pay to win is if somebody can get ingame advantages by spending some ingame currency or items he paid for with real money.

the difference between rmt and ptw is whether the company is profiting from it.

op's post clearly is a violation to their "no pay to win" rule but that's always open for interpretations as with his suggestion you can't directly get ingame advantages from ggg (like with premium tabs), you need to interact with other players.

mtx gifting is a powerful sales boost and it's still an option. otherwise the guild system would already be overhauled and support wouldn't transfer points between accounts (i did this several times now, mostly to keep fellow players in the game as without additional tabs is manageable but a chore).

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

Out of anything OP has said, the whole currency exchange rates does make sense as it has been a problem for others in the past. Minimum wage is like 6204 rubles a month in Russia as far as I can tell which equals to about $106ish American. Need at least $20 bucks to cover a decent start on expanding stash tabs. You can't honestly expect a minimum wage Russian to fork over 1/4th of their monthly income on a game like this. Same exchange rate problems elsewhere.

While you do bring up a good point, I just want to mention that ISP service (i.e. access to internet) in Russia already costs at least 4$/month, and about 8$-10$/month for a decent connection. So it isn't that much money if you really need that stash tabs - if you are playing the game, then you already can spend that amount of money each 3-5 months. And you only need to spend that 20$ on tabs once.

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Uranist wrote:

Man, support said it is legal. If other player want to help - it is his choice.
I will share other sentence from that respone:

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Also, please be aware that real money transactions, otherwise known as RMT, is against our Terms of Use which can be found here: https://www.pathofexile.com/legal/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy

This means: If you want to help - do it via support.
It is gift just because there is no exchange rate.
RMT has some values of exchange. Gifting has not any.

If support says "YES", it means - yes. Also, I was born in USSR. It was socialism, where people help each others. Not like you - capitalists.

At this point I don't know if you are being delusional or extremely trolly. I'll assume the first and try to dissuade you. If it's the second, then I hope you get some help, since getting your jollies off this is just sad.

You've asked support if you can do this and they came back saying "RMT is not allowed". If that's not enough proof that they consider your SUBJECT to be RMT (which is not allowed) - I really don't know what kind of reading comprehension you have.

Your "gift" excuse is just bonkers. A gift can still hold monetary value. As long as you trade something that has real monetary value for an in-game item, that is RMT.

So what if it's a "gift"? If I "gifted" you $20, and you "gifted" me a Shavs - that is still RMT.

It doesn't have to be actual "money" that you trade me in return for an item, it just has to be something that carries monetary value. It could be a service (me cleaning your house), a good (a bicycle) or a digital good (an MTX).


If it's still not clear enough - then nothing else will be. Good luck with getting banned if you continue this.

so this goes on without being locked...

could some staff plz write in here on this matter and explain what ggg's view is on this.. cuz there seems to be alot of confusion.

this discussion that have started to be a mudfight and dont think Theres anymore to be said on the diffrent sides of the ''hedge'' all just on repeat now...

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iNotSure wrote:

So all your points are valid, but not in this case. OP is a liar and will keep on lying and it baffles me that you don't see this

I am not on OP's side. However I am not on your side either. You both seem a tad rude to me.

I don't know why you have to be so offensive towards OP. He clearly has a hard time in communicating in English. He might be a troll or he might even be dead serious, who knows. But he is actually trying to explain his issues. He is not calling anyone else idiot/troll/liar, but he keeps trying to rationalize his point of view...

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iNotSure wrote:

- This guy stated he plays 8 hours a day. So we can assume he doesn't work for 8 hours a day as well.

8 hours work, 8 hours path, 8 hours sleep. Doesn't sound impossible to me? Weird assumption.

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iNotSure wrote:

- If he really was that poor he should be spending those 8 hours of playtime elsewhere (maybe in
finding a job?).

Finding a job might not be that easy in Russia or wherever he might live. Who knows.

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iNotSure wrote:

Then on to the point where people say he has a legitimate point. Poor countries have to pay the same prices that even we (not poor countries) can find rather expensive.
That is a whole different discussion and if he had openend with that no one would have jumped on this one.

So lets discuss about the more relevant point instead of turning this into a 30v1 flame war towards him? :D

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