I fear that stuff like Ring of Blades will water down Sire of Shard

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Vipermagi wrote:
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AbdulAlhazred wrote:
Thinking about going Champion duelist and dual wielding two projectile speed wands and using at least 2 of those jewels.

Limited to 1 :P

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I'm with SunL4D2 here, it seems unlikely GGG'll just release nova Gems for any old Projectile. They're a bit more creative than that.

well..

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ice crash, earthquake, Vaal ground slam


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Rain of Arrow, Firestorm, Blast rain, Blade fall


ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
Last edited by Sexcalibure#7575 on Feb 17, 2017, 2:20:14 PM
First of all, I'm not sure where this is coming from? Threshold Jewels and Skills occupy decidedly different design spaces. Go try to find overlapping Threshold Jewels. See how far you get.


But, I have too much time anyways, so I'll bite:

You're really going to lump a line-damage Projectile spell with drop-off into the same boat as two arcing AoEs? That doesn't even make sense. They're not alike, in mechanics or playstyle. Pretty sure that's in there just for the vaguely-similar visuals more than anything, which is insane. :/
Lacerate is very similar to Cleave, but Cleave synergizes with dual-wielding whereas Lacerate loves a fast two-hander just as much. This is only really relevant for flat-scaling Elemental builds, and that is kind of a problem. For most setups, they're too similar.

Rain of Arrows is a single AoE hit - Firestorm hits random targets, can land multiple hits, hits over a duration - Blast Rain hits multiple times, overlaps at target - Bladefall places multiple AoEs in a line. Only Firestorm and Blast Rain are anywhere similar, and even then the duration makes for very different setups/playstyle (can't just fire-and-forget Blast Rain). If you want to compare Bladefall to anything, it's Glacial Cascade, not fucking Rain of Arrows. Both spells, both hit with consecutive AoEs placed in a line. That is similarity.
A very poorly thought-out list of "similar Skills" with little actual similarity.

Ice Crash and Earthquake came too quickly after eachother, and EQ immediately overshadowed Crash due to not coming with Less Attack Speed and hitting even harder in the long run. That was one hell of a fuckup, and I'll give you that one.
Vaal Skills are inherently going to overlap. I personally don't care, but I can see where you're coming from.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5uo96c/suggestionmake_nova_a_support_gem/

look how people are craving for such thing and i pretty much have to agree with the idea of support gem being boring and failing to do what they are suppose to do, give visible special effect to the main skill, % stats should be left to the gear.

ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
Last edited by Sexcalibure#7575 on Feb 18, 2017, 2:07:29 PM
Addressing title - surely it will.

It will be another way to get something that was unique before.

The question is - is it okay or not? I would say yes, jewels are cool i love these next gen jewels, i don't see a reason to never have other nova-like projectile things in game.
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Sire of shards is already vendor. What more can be done to it?
This isn't going to water down sire of shards any more than already having ice nova stopped you from running FP with SoS, or flameblast stopped you from running Incinerate with it, or Vaal Fireball stopped you from running regular fireball with it, or shock nova stopped you from running ball lightning with it.

It has its design space, you either want to try it or you don't.
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innervation wrote:
This isn't going to water down sire of shards any more than already having ice nova stopped you from running FP with SoS, or flameblast stopped you from running Incinerate with it, or Vaal Fireball stopped you from running regular fireball with it, or shock nova stopped you from running ball lightning with it.

It has its design space, you either want to try it or you don't.
such bad examples

Sure Sire of shard is not in the best place atm... but thats not a reason for introducing other uniques that steals its uniqueness, they should atleast give it more flavour buff like i mentionned earlier, aoe modifiers applies to projectile
ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
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Sexcalibure wrote:
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innervation wrote:
This isn't going to water down sire of shards any more than already having ice nova stopped you from running FP with SoS, or flameblast stopped you from running Incinerate with it, or Vaal Fireball stopped you from running regular fireball with it, or shock nova stopped you from running ball lightning with it.

It has its design space, you either want to try it or you don't.
such bad examples

Sure Sire of shard is not in the best place atm... but thats not a reason for introducing other uniques that steals its uniqueness, they should atleast give it more flavour buff like i mentionned earlier, aoe modifiers applies to projectile



How is it not in a good place?

It gives free GMP and 100% projectile damage. That is amazing for certain builds. Notably, magma orb (magma orb mines are super legit).
The 7% ele resistance could be bumped to 12 or 15% though.


I wish you would not draw attention or even mention a nova support because if they will probably go back and nerf sire of shards. Which is a really solid item and only devalued because it is so common. When it came out it was high rollers only.


This threshold jewel makes EK relevant with Blade Fall again.
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Last edited by Maceless#1951 on Feb 18, 2017, 5:54:37 PM
I'm pretty damn fine with this. I'd be totally okay with them releasing a Nova support gem and condemning Sire to irrelevance entirely. I just like the effect, and the only way I could get it into the game was Sire. Any further implementations of nova stuff I'll take as a compliment and be keen for.

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Sexcalibure wrote:
Need to ask to Viperesque but pretty sure that this staff was at first designed in the Shotgun era of POE, shotgun died at the same time Sire of shard got implemented to the game,on 2.0 ( actually in the closed beta of 2.0). So much of its power got lost with shotgunning gone. Leaving the unique to a special effect items with not much power.

The opposite really. Sire was always going to make shotgunning impossible, so I was expecting it to be used only with skills where that wasn't an issue. Removing shotgunning increased the use cases pretty substantially. Felt like I completely lucked out with the timing there.
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Last edited by viperesque#7817 on Feb 18, 2017, 6:29:47 PM
nice gem. plan on using it for something entirely different.

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