Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - Remove xp loss on death, replace with xp bonuses for surviving - Forum

" Crackmonster wrote: As you can see, i do believe in a death penalty, so your absolute example of black and white is irrelevant. You see it comes from learning that the current form of death penalty becomes destructive to game experiences at higher levels, so i am discussing the shade of grey. These discussion are not useless, i would not be surprised if, outside of people who never really experience the full game, the main reason for stopped for longer periods or ragequitting is death penalty, being forced to become hopeless about a character. You also forget something.. it's not just level and gear(of which power is derived) - see in PoE there is great characterization like building the character and the items/gems to use. That is proper quality and sometimes that will grab your attention and keep you entertained, that's the sort of meat that makes this game, not that if you don't play top 10% builds it won't work because arbitrary death penalty exists. If you don't want to be called white knight i suggest that you do not excuse things with backwards reasoning revealed your emotional tie and bias. Make no mistake, i have no interest in a casual scrubfest, was this game becoming that you would see me making a whole different kinds of threads like i do in games with those problems. I have an interest in the best and only the best. The best doesn't scare away bads/casuals with bad systems, it is just best all around and low to high loves it because it is best and has the highest standards. Which is all you wk's really have, you refuse to understand and keep getting hung up on us just being some kinda suckers that can't handle anything in life and want it served on a platter. You simple do not have any clue what we are saying, and as i said we just entertain you but we know you don't get it in the first place. Changing such penalty as to make it less harsh or more forgiving is essentially just another step into removing it completely. Not only does it make the game easier, it doesn't properly reward a player for investing more into gear or learning about situations to avoid or how to play better. Any player that would quit the game because they lost XP on a death is a player the game was not designed for, this isn't hello fucking kitty, its path of exile a game designed to be played in or as a hardcore style manner. You really aren't sitting here telling me that your build or any build doesn't work because of the XP penalty, the only type of build that is even remotely in line with that would be one that relies on dying, aka cast on death, but I mean it kinda has its meaning in the name and its really nothing more then a joke or a PVP style gem. The penalty isn't arbitrary, you can't say you support a death penalty and then say its arbitrary, your just making shit up at this point. The best doesn't hand out free loot and power either, but apparently that isn't what this game is anymore. So your advocating for a change to make it even more casual because someone might get upset they aren't reaching max level, a goal that even in d2 was not achievable by casual players. ROFL I don't have any clue that you dont want to be punished for making a mistake. I tell you what, convince GGG to do custom leagues, maybe I can get what you want and you can get your hello kitty league. Until then accept the penalty for death or you know what avoid it all together by not dying, what an amazing fucking concept. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.	Posted by goetzjam#3084 on Feb 17, 2017, 3:29:17 PM Quote this Post
Ahh, you make me laugh man. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.	Posted by Crackmonster#7709 on Feb 17, 2017, 3:31:04 PM Quote this Post
" Ceri wrote: I think the main reason I'm frustrated about this now is the problematic issues you list. I seem to die mostly from bullshit things nowadays, and that really demotivates me. As I said earlier, dying due to my own error, that's fine! I've done some silly things while playing tired like we probably all have, and whenever that happens I get mad at myself for sure. Well-deserved punishment, agreed. But yeah, those random volatile splats at higher levels, random server kicks / client crashes - stuff like that. That's gotta be dealt with somehow. I agree with the rest of your statement as well. It's not a problem for myself so I haven't paid much thought to it but you may be right that players in general are reckless. I wouldn't know, I only play solo. Still think the 6 portal-thing is enough, but maybe it's just enough for players like myself. And before anyone tries anything: I don't mean "skilled", but rather careful, slow and inefficient. ;) I guess we can agree on that then. I was not implying any kind of efficiency required or anything. But if you run without picking up everything, 6 portals is really a lot, unless for really tough encounter where you log out in-extremist. " Crackmonster wrote: It remains that death penalty is not well implemented and causes thousands of ragequits Another completely baseless claim, and then you talk about others using fallacies ? please ..... If people ragequit, that means that they have a problem more than the game has a problem, like seriously. Stopped getting so emotional, it's just a game, and still a good one as long as GGG does not listen to all of those QQ threads in here (not that some aren't good, some have actual useful feedback). " Crackmonster wrote: By the way i can guarantee i am more elitist than you are or any of you other tryharding elists in this thread, i am extremely elitist, but that doesn't mean i should turn of my brain so i still answer to logic. And of course, this is all about you. Of course. As I said before (but you are either blind, or conveniently avoiding reading because you cannot understand, or more likely for other reasons), remove the death penalty would actually cripple build diversity, because everyone would be going full dps in softcore, and not give a fuck about the balance between offense/defense. " Crackmonster wrote: Ahh, you make me laugh man. I guess a really great deal of people make you laugh man. Maybe you should start asking yourself questions ..... you know, the kind of that are not about others. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Feb 18, 2017, 12:28:58 AM	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Feb 17, 2017, 11:15:35 PM Quote this Post
" Fruz wrote: " Crackmonster wrote: Ahh, you make me laugh man. I guess a really great deal of people make you laugh man. Maybe you should start asking yourself questions ..... you know, the kind of that are not about others. Yeah because its far easier to be like "you make me laugh" then it is to come up with any sort of rebuttal to the argument provided. Perhaps I should just start posting that as a response to anyone's thread, lets start with the lab threads, those always seem to be the most thought out and well balanced discussion threads /s https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.	Posted by goetzjam#3084 on Feb 17, 2017, 11:22:45 PM Quote this Post
" Fruz wrote: " Ceri wrote: I think the main reason I'm frustrated about this now is the problematic issues you list. I seem to die mostly from bullshit things nowadays, and that really demotivates me. As I said earlier, dying due to my own error, that's fine! I've done some silly things while playing tired like we probably all have, and whenever that happens I get mad at myself for sure. Well-deserved punishment, agreed. But yeah, those random volatile splats at higher levels, random server kicks / client crashes - stuff like that. That's gotta be dealt with somehow. I agree with the rest of your statement as well. It's not a problem for myself so I haven't paid much thought to it but you may be right that players in general are reckless. I wouldn't know, I only play solo. Still think the 6 portal-thing is enough, but maybe it's just enough for players like myself. And before anyone tries anything: I don't mean "skilled", but rather careful, slow and inefficient. ;) I guess we can agree on that then. I was not implying any kind of efficiency required or anything. But if you run without picking up everything, 6 portals is really a lot, unless for really tough encounter where you log out in-extremist. " Crackmonster wrote: It remains that death penalty is not well implemented and causes thousands of ragequits Another completely baseless claim, and then you talk about others using fallacies ? please ..... If people ragequit, that means that they have a problem more than the game has a problem, like seriously. Stopped getting so emotional, it's just a game, and still a good one as long as GGG does not listen to all of those QQ threads in here (not that some aren't good, some have actual useful feedback). " Crackmonster wrote: By the way i can guarantee i am more elitist than you are or any of you other tryharding elists in this thread, i am extremely elitist, but that doesn't mean i should turn of my brain so i still answer to logic. And of course, this is all about you. Of course. As I said before (but you are either blind, or conveniently avoiding reading because you cannot understand, or more likely for other reasons), remove the death penalty would actually cripple build diversity, because everyone would be going full dps in softcore, and not give a fuck about the balance between offense/defense. " Crackmonster wrote: Ahh, you make me laugh man. I guess a really great deal of people make you laugh man. Maybe you should start asking yourself questions ..... you know, the kind of that are not about others. Log out shouldn't be possible, a set 5 seconds to log off no matter what should be mandatory - you got problems with connection, you're fault for choosing an always online experience. Log out is a way worse problem that EXP death penalty from my point of view! The only two worse are zerging and paying others to carry you instead of just playing the game (except for aura focused characters)... Why have a feedback section on the forum if you're not wanting to listed to the opinions that might worth your time? If everyone would go full glass canon in Softcore they could also just drop the number of portals to 1, due to the "kill/be killed" mentality and even without a harsh death EXP penalty they could hurt you where it hurts - loot + chances to win the fight - and make it that for characters with 200% increased HP + healthy amount of other survivability nodes you get 6 portals, for one between 100-200% with more damge than survivability nodes you get 3 portals and for anything less than 100% just one - going all or nothing glass cannon should have that 1 and only 1 shot at finishing the content... And of course they should introduce a reflect chaos damage mod... They have very good options, but we might get pleasently surprised that they could find some even better further along... PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"... Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days... Last edited by sofocle10000#6408 on Feb 18, 2017, 5:49:03 AM	Posted by sofocle10000#6408 on Feb 18, 2017, 5:48:04 AM Quote this Post
" sofocle10000 wrote: Log out shouldn't be possible, a set 5 seconds to log off no matter what should be mandatory - you got problems with connection, you're fault for choosing an always online experience. One more time : You are nobody to say how the game should or should not be, you are just a single individual player that does not get that the whole game balance takes instant log-out into account, and that removing it just like that would be a terrible decision. This is GGG's game, not yours. Drop the number of portal to one ?? So that a single network disconnection makes you loose the map ? So that after your death, you have no way to go back there to check what actually killed you if it was from off-screen or if the monster just ran away ? :/ Making tankier character having more portals ? What kind of ridiculous band-aid is that ?! It's awful .... And now you want to make chaos more inline with elemental types .... I am sorry, but I've rarely seen such a concentration of bad ideas and stuff that would most likely hurt the game in a single post in this forum. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Feb 18, 2017, 5:57:57 AM	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Feb 18, 2017, 5:56:47 AM Quote this Post
Just saying this one last time for your own sake Sofocle. Leave them alone, they are trolling and they will not like you argue with honor and self-criticism, they are out to attack and they already know everything they want to know they are not here to listen. They will only drag you into their mud, you already made the mistake of correcting some of their bad examples, but by doing so arguing from their point of view so you are already halfway into their mud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w6c7RUbUs&feature=youtu.be&t=1m37s Be Gandalf. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all. Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Feb 18, 2017, 6:24:32 AM	Posted by Crackmonster#7709 on Feb 18, 2017, 6:18:01 AM Quote this Post
Nothing more than trying to make everything personal again heh. Nice antagonizing post btw, good job. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Feb 18, 2017, 7:42:33 AM	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Feb 18, 2017, 7:38:32 AM Quote this Post
Huh? I'm not talking to you. I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.	Posted by Crackmonster#7709 on Feb 18, 2017, 8:10:07 AM Quote this Post
" Crackmonster wrote: Just saying this one last time for your own sake Sofocle. Leave them alone, they are trolling and they will not like you argue with honor and self-criticism, they are out to attack and they already know everything they want to know they are not here to listen. They will only drag you into their mud, you already made the mistake of correcting some of their bad examples, but by doing so arguing from their point of view so you are already halfway into their mud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w6c7RUbUs&feature=youtu.be&t=1m37s Be Gandalf. Seems so, as they don't even try to imagine other ways to address concerns, and are always happy with the status quo... PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"... Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days... Last edited by sofocle10000#6408 on Feb 18, 2017, 8:27:18 AM	Posted by sofocle10000#6408 on Feb 18, 2017, 8:26:51 AM Quote this Post