Donald Trump and US politics

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Raycheetah wrote:

Kathy Griffin, like so many Proglodytes, can happily dish it out, but can't take it:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/02/kathy-griffin-press-conference-with-attorney-lisa-bloom/#more-133710

"He [Trump] broke meeee!" - Kathy "My edge is that I'll go direct for Barron" Griffin

You broke yourself, Kathy, and now even Al Franken wants nothing to do with you. Must've touched some serious nerves, to be shunned by that old clown. =^[.]^=

I don't care which side of the fence you stand on, I find it pretty amusing that Kathy Griffin is upset that people are firing back at her for her picture.

And she's apparently calling out against the Trump family, saying they are "bullying" her and will ruin her?

No, Kathy. No: You did that to yourself.

Whenever people kick a hornet nest and complain about being stung it brings a smile to my face.

NOTE: I think there was even something more amusing where a Metal band was offended about the Kathy pic, but for different reasons. Apparently, they "did it first" with Trump's decapitated head. I'll see if I can find that link.

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Raycheetah wrote:

Kathy Griffin, like so many Proglodytes, can happily dish it out, but can't take it:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/02/kathy-griffin-press-conference-with-attorney-lisa-bloom/#more-133710

"He [Trump] broke meeee!" - Kathy "My edge is that I'll go direct for Barron" Griffin

You broke yourself, Kathy, and now even Al Franken wants nothing to do with you. Must've touched some serious nerves, to be shunned by that old clown. =^[.]^=

I had to google the image because I wasn't really sure who you were talking about or the photo. Maybe she expected more people to defend her but I can't imagine she didn't expect a large backlash. She would have to be completely retarded to not realize that would happen.

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sarahaustin wrote:

How is it socialism to keep the planet healthy for living beings?

But it is. Saving the environment is like soooooooo socialist.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Second, agreeing on the course of action is always more important than agreeing on rationale. The right move is the right move.

Isn't that just a pissweak rewording of 'the ends justifies the means'?

Because if people only agree on the course of action, not the rationale, then all you have is everyone walking in the same direction, not necessarily at the same speed, with the same gait, or with the same destination in mind. Some might stop well before what the others consider the end point. And so on. Basically, you're wrong. The right move is the right move, but the right move is usually much more than just directional agreement. It's a lot more complicated than that.

In this context, it's Trump withdrawing from a climate change agreement purely for financial reasons. That's the rationale for the move; it defines the moves going forward. Had it been because he felt the climate change agreement was inadequate AND cared about the environment, it would have been a different set of moves.

What you said equates a single move to a full gambit.

No, what you said just now equates a single move with a full strategy. The only correct move was withdrawing from the Paris Accord.

What you are doing is virtue signalling. "Climate change is an important issue and I care about important issues so I'm for the Paris Accord." Does it matter to you, at all, what is in it? Did you even read it? Or did you just immediately support it because it claims to fight climate change and you aren't against things that claim to fight climate change?

All the caring and concern in the world doesn't do a modicum of good if one spends all their money on panaceas sold by conmen and praised by their useful idiots.

And don't for a second think this is merely post-Trump Scrotie talking. Just replace "climate change" with "the single-player PoE experience" and "the Paris Accord" with "SFL."

I can't believe Drumpf pulled us out of the Paris climate accord! Do Republicans like breathing bad air and drinking dirty water? Do you want the air to be so freaking toxic you look out the window and see birds dropping dead from the air pollution? Congrats, well you got it!

/Sarcasm

LOL.

My plants are looking forward to the boost in CO2 levels. Green Lives Matter! =^[.]~=

The biggest virtue signalling, the new irrational normal, is to be anti-Trump on every single issue. Why, Trump is always wrong and fuck Trump so anything, anything at all, that Trump supports... against it. Anything at all he's against... support it. Doesn't matter if it's James "October Surprise" Comey, IRL James Bond villain John McCain, or motherfucking ISIS in control of Syria. If Zombie Stalin won the Democratic nomination in 2020, some of y'all would vote for him... "better than Cheeto Hitler, amirite?"

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The biggest virtue signalling, the new irrational normal, is to be anti-Trump on every single issue. Why, Trump is always wrong and fuck Trump so anything, anything at all, that Trump supports... against it. Anything at all he's against... support it. Doesn't matter if it's James "October Surprise" Comey, IRL James Bond villain John McCain, or motherfucking ISIS in control of Syria. If Zombie Stalin won the Democratic nomination in 2020, some of y'all would vote for him... "better than Cheeto Hitler, amirite?"

but, isn't that the exact stance that the Pro Trumps are adopting, just in reverse? Everything democrats want is bad and everything Trump do is the best?

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鬼殺し wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Isn't that just a pissweak rewording of 'the ends justifies the means'?

Because if people only agree on the course of action, not the rationale, then all you have is everyone walking in the same direction, not necessarily at the same speed, with the same gait, or with the same destination in mind. Some might stop well before what the others consider the end point. And so on. Basically, you're wrong. The right move is the right move, but the right move is usually much more than just directional agreement. It's a lot more complicated than that.

In this context, it's Trump withdrawing from a climate change agreement purely for financial reasons. That's the rationale for the move; it defines the moves going forward. Had it been because he felt the climate change agreement was inadequate AND cared about the environment, it would have been a different set of moves.

What you said equates a single move to a full gambit.

No, what you said just now equates a single move with a full strategy. The only correct move was withdrawing from the Paris Accord.

What you are doing is virtue signalling. "Climate change is an important issue and I care about important issues so I'm for the Paris Accord." Does it matter to you, at all, what is in it? Did you even read it? Or did you just immediately support it because it claims to fight climate change and you aren't against things that claim to fight climate change?

All the caring and concern in the world doesn't do a modicum of good if one spends all their money on panaceas sold by conmen and praised by their useful idiots.

And don't for a second think this is merely post-Trump Scrotie talking. Just replace "climate change" with "the single-player PoE experience" and "the Paris Accord" with "SFL."

1) Nice dodge on reasoning out why the WHY is just as important as the WHAT when it comes to moves and strategy. Not surprised. You're in the unenviable place of having to try to see someone widely acknowledged as irrational and inexplicable as 'intelligent' because to accept anything else would make you look stupid.

2) Never heard of virtue signalling outside of this board, but this board remains the only crackpot thing I read these days. Just did some light reading about it. Shouldn't be surprised who's been using it and why. What a nasty piece of work. to relegate even gestures to goodwill to vapid, ignorant posing. As if I get anything out of going along with what everyone's saying -- this isn't 'virtue signalling' because it's certainly not raising my status within a social group. But I can see why you'd gravitate towards this memetic term, with your nigh-autistic levels of obsession over all this. Frankly, I. Don't. Care. I have a life, and recommend you get one too at some point. Nothing you say here over any of this is going to make a modicum of difference, as you put it. So why not 'virtue signal'? It is convenient for me to believe the overwhelming majority of voices if said voices are diverse and the science behind it is solid. But no, I have not 'read' the paris agreement because as I said I HAVE A LIFE. It's not my job to read it or to understand it, and doing both wouldn't make a fucking difference other than to make me a little more like you. And no thanks to that.

3) No, I see this isn't post-Trump Scrotie. This is who you've always been. It was just easy to overlook it when we had something in common. Strip that away and you're not someone I'd talk to, ever. There's no point to it. We are in different worlds. We use different languages. Interacting with you brings me nothing. No pleasure, no sense of improving myself, not even the enjoyment of sparring with someone in the same arena. I avoid polsci types usually, but like I said, PoE brought together some pretty disparate elements.

4) I hope you're feeling better.

5) Take care. This is goodbye.

1. The why is less important than the what; to be precise, there is only the what, and the why is a subset of it. The beliefs in your brain are existent and have the potential for great relevance, but rather tautologically less relevance than the sum of all existence. Mind is not over matter, as mind is matter; we are but organic computers.

If my task were to sell you on Trump's exceptionalism, the majority of my argument would be that, with Ted Cruz and Ben Carson, he was on a list of GOP candidates the Clinton campaign targeted as "Pied Pipers" for favorable press coverage; the remainder of my argument would contrast Trump with Cruz and Carson. This is the extent of FrankenTrump's exceptionalism. What is truly exceptional is not Trump but the pervasive corruption that spawned him — which may have been irrational but is not inexplicable.

2. I also do not buy the idea that virtue signalling is about saying exactly the same thing as everyone else. No, it's about saying something different and clever, with great conviction and righteousness, without doing any of the research. It is the skilled plagiarism of one who has immersed oneself so deep in political correctness that they know a thousand ways to copy their neighbor's answer and add a riff to make it their own.

It's cool if you have a life. Yes, I expected you should have read the Paris Accord, but only because

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鬼殺し wrote:

Regarding the withdrawal from the Paris Accord, "We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us any more. And they won't be," Trump said.

No, there comes a point where laughing at someone's self-destructive obsession with the here and now just isn't worth it.

Congrats, TrumpAmerica. You've just displayed another psychopathic trait: short-term gratification at the cost of long-term considerations.

I'm sorry. Again. Abandoning a globally accepted climate change pact because of money. This is who you voted in, directly or otherwise. The consummate businessman who can and will destroy large swathes of the world if it means money for America.

Now, contrast this with "Frankly, I. Don't. Care. I have a life, and recommend you get one too at some point. Nothing you say here over any of this is going to make a modicum of difference, as you put it... But no, I have not 'read' the paris agreement because as I said I HAVE A LIFE. It's not my job to read it or to understand it, and doing both wouldn't make a fucking difference other than to make me a little more like you. And no thanks to that."

So why the fuck are you here, making grand pronouncements, full of certainty and devoid of humility, on topics you admit not only that you don't know shit about — that's referred to as "being mistaken" and happens to the best of us — but that you don't even want to learn about, that you give zero fucks about... if not to signal to us all a caring that never was and never will be?