Donald Trump and US politics

You gotta wonder how clean Trump is if after all this time there isn't any evidence on him

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Manocean wrote:

You gotta wonder how clean Trump is if after all this time there isn't any evidence on him

Trump is, at his very core, just another, normal "Joe." He just happens to have had a bigger business (and bankroll) than most normal Joes. It doesn't make him a sinister corporatist or a Russian mole. Normal Joes like sexy women, talk smack about their rivals, and love their country. Trump may not be perfect, but he's not Hitler. =^[.]^=

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

<....> The Daily Caller, founded by Tucker Carlson.

OK, bro.
Stop reading fake news, bro. Tucker fucking Carlson? For real?

You can certainly question Tucker's opinion for political bias, but ad hominem attacks against facts reported are just that - baseless and a logical fallacy. That is explicitly why I stated his sources:

Michael Doran, former NSC senior director,
Col. (Ret.) James Waurishuk, an NSC veteran and former deputy director for intelligence
U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova

Three sources with legitimate expertise on the subject, and one with the proper legal background to make such a judgement call.

Bloomberg on the other hand had "unnamed sources" For all we know, they used Greust or Grumpy Cat as their source.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Dude, so far, there is no story. There's some right wing joke sites saying stuff which makes no sense (x person asked for unmasking, when that's completely normal) and citing reports from discredited right wing hack lawyers such as Joseph diGenova with nothing to back it up.

It isn't normal. It is unprecedented, as Col. (Ret.) James Waurishuk, an NSC veteran and former deputy director for intelligence at the U.S. Central Command said:

"this is now using national intelligence assets and capabilities to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president.”

“We’re looking at a potential constitutional crisis from the standpoint that we used an extremely strong capability that’s supposed to be used to safeguard and protect the country,” he said. “And we used it for political purposes by a sitting president. That takes on a new precedent.”

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TheAnuhart wrote:

I've seen this story covered on every site

After it was trending heavily with almost a million views, the big sites were forced to cover it, before that there was nothing. NOTHING as in Cernovich's report and then two other tiny sites. Only when it was heavily trending did anyone else pick it up. If you had been searching for more info on the story at that time, you would have known this.

"ABC, NBC Cover-Up Revelation Susan Rice Ordered Trump Aides Unmasked, CBS Defends"
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2017/04/03/abc-nbc-cover-revelation-susan-rice-ordered-trump-aides

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TheAnuhart wrote:

This is something that wants a pin stuck in it, looks like nothing, might be something, see if it develops.

"I see no legitimate reason for her to be searching a database and unmasking people," Senator Rand Paul said on "America's Newsroom" today. He continued, "I don’t think we should discount how big a deal it was that Susan Rice was looking at these, and she needs to be asked, did President Obama ask her to do this? Was this a directive from President Obama? I think she ought to testify under oath on this. I think she should be asked under oath, did she reveal it to The Washington Post … I think they were illegally basically using an espionage tool to eavesdrop or wiretap — if you want to use the word generally — on the Trump campaign."

When Nunes asked Rice about claims that U.S. spies may have scooped up communications from the Trump transition team, this is what Rice had to say.

SUSAN RICE: I knew nothing about this. I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today. I really don't know to what Chairman Nunes was referring.


Does your "nothing" mean the same thing as Susan Rice's nothing?

Perhaps you should review the history of Watergate. What happened here by Obama's administration against the Trump team is far worse.

The above info is factual. Now, here's the potential (unproven supposition):
If Susan Rice squeals and implicates Obama, we have a good shot at seeing Obama go to prison. If that happens, the Democratic Party is as dead as the first guy on Twilight Strand.

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Raycheetah wrote:

Trump may not be perfect, but he's not Hitler. =^[.]^=

Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, hold on, can you fact check that? Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, not Hitler? Can you fact check that for me please on the fly?

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DalaiLama wrote:

I think she ought to testify under oath on this.

I totally agree, I'm actually uncomfortable about her stating she knew nothing about it. I can come up with a way that her answer (with the context of the news at the time and with her remarks afterwards) could make sense and not be a flat out lie, but I'm far from convinced. It looks like she lied.


But that is it. All the rest is, right now, smoke. No matter how people frame 'unmasking' into this, right now there is nothing that says anything other than normal, legal, non-political work went on. Her apparent lie will bring about more investigation into what went on then and also now with the current NSC.


As for the left wing MSM not covering it, of course they didn't at first. It had nothing to add to their narrative and before being blown up in a thousand untruths it wasn't much of a story anyway. The right wing media covered it because it was something they could spin into something else, far bigger than what it is right now, but into something it may be, possibly, it could be, there's a chance it could be, no proof, but fuck that, there's enough people who don't need proof, blow it up because 'look over there, don't look here'. At that point, yes the left media will cover it because it's like, 'look at this exaggeration going on'.

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DalaiLama wrote:

If that happens, the Democratic Party is as dead as the first guy on Twilight Strand.

What ever gave you the impression the Democratic party has a single breath of life in it or has had for at least 3 years? At least the guy on Twilight Strand flicks once.


For fuck's sake give me someone who is neither a Democrat or a Republican to talk to, I can't take this 2 sides or nothing stuff.

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Manocean wrote:

You gotta wonder how clean Trump is if after all this time there isn't any evidence on him

Trump is, at his very core, just another, normal "Joe." He just happens to have had a bigger business (and bankroll) than most normal Joes. It doesn't make him a sinister corporatist or a Russian mole. Normal Joes like sexy women, talk smack about their rivals, and love their country. Trump may not be perfect, but he's not Hitler. =^[.]^=

"We're going to be doing things that are very good for the banking industry" Said Trump, the "average Joe".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-business-banks-idUSKBN1761YC

The "average Joe" also thinks internet providers don't need your permission to sell your personal data.

That "average Joe" also wanted to take away heath insurance from the poor and elderly so rich people could have tax cuts.

That "average Joe" is rich since he was born, and lived years of his life in a golden tower.

That "average Joe" had to pay 25 million because he conned several other average joe.

That "average Joe" has been sued 3500 times...

I don't know man, if you want to believe that Trump is good for the US I think that is fine, but saying that he is "just like the common folk" is delusional.

Edit: This remind me of these memes:

Shushhh, soneka101

The emperor is totally not butt naked because Hillary.

Congressman Castro, House Intelligence Committee.

When asked about collusion with Trump administration, transition, associates and Russia interference with election.

" I wouldn't be surprised after all is said and done, that some people will be going to jail"

"If I was betting, I would say yes [that some Trump associates are going to jail]"

"My impression is that people will probably be charged and that people will probably be going to jail"

When asked if there is enough evidence already for people to be going to jail.

"Most likely"


Either this fker is getting way above his station, or shit's getting real.

It's almost like there's a difference between condemnation (i.e. cheap words) and bombing.

Not that DJT (nor HRC nor Obama nor any president we've had in a hundred years) is anti-war, as you probably know.