Kinda frustrated that my support went for a Consol port instead of fixing and making the game better

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Hardmuscle wrote:

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grepman wrote:

um why would I care about 'increasing traffic'? nothing good comes out of that for a niche game either. a niche game becoming more accessible and a result suddenly having a big casual fanbase, with the original fanbase now being a 'vocal minority'

in case you haven't noticed, that's exactly what had been happening to poe over last year and the half or so. this game used to be much more grindy and casual-repellent.

Well gee duh, Wilbur. Why would a business be concerned with increasing customers?

I didn't say that I don't know why business want to attract a bigger base. Invest in you reading comprehension.
I said, I don't care about it.

The game was advertised as a niche game for hardcore audience in the first place. Believe it or not, there are [very few but they do exist] developers who create niche games and refuse to sellout even if they can to double their dollars. They make games for niche audience, not wide audience and mere success doesn't make them turn their back on their old fanbase.

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People are acting like it's been dead-in-the-water since beta and this is the end.

you still don't get it. poe can be at its most successful and get the most business when its dumbed down, I wouldn't care. the niche game which I bought in and fell in love with, would be dead, not the game itself. in fact, I've said multiple times that I'd rather have a dead niche game that refused to sell its soul that a crossover/sellout that is alive.

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As though there's a reason for jealously. I get the impression more than 80% don't have the faintest idea how hard it is to design, develop, and maintain a project as large as this.

I'm a software developer myself, and complexity of project doesn't have anything to do with selling out and streamling/making a niche game accessible.

And by golly, I'd rather be bankrupt and out of job then to fucking sell out.

Selling out isn't a concept just unique to developing tho. Artists sell out, authors sell out, scientists sell out.

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grepman wrote:

I'm a software developer myself

You don't get to throw credits around without showing your CV.

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Mythabril wrote:

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grepman wrote:

I'm a software developer myself

You don't get to throw credits around without showing your CV.

can I show you my clearcase repository instead? trust me, it's way scarier.

this is a quote from age of decadence developer:

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It’s a hardcore game. What does it mean? Well, if accessible means ‘a game that can be enjoyed by everyone, including your grandma and the neighbors’ cat’, then hardcore would be the exact opposite of that. It’s a game made for a very specific market, a market abandoned long ago simply because it’s a niche within a niche. Even been in the middle of nowhere? Endless empty land stretching out in every direction, an antique gas station, and a diner that says, “I bet you a silver dollar you ain’t man enough to eat the special and live to tell the tale”. Well, that’s our niche. We’ve moving in and setting up shop there.

I guess he doesn't know much about business. hmmmm.

anyhow, poe went from being this proverbial diner to being a McDonald's in Soho. and I will never like that.

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grepman wrote:

Invest in you reading comprehension.

I said, I don't care about it.

Right, because complaining about all of this looks like you don't care.

I tnink people are overreacting here.
GGG is trying to grow their business, and this potentially will benefit everyone.
Being multiplatform can mean more income, more income can mean game content coming at an higher pace.

Still, I have my concerns too. First, the investment could not pay off..
Second.. being multiplatform can and will inevitably have an influence on future game design decisions... to what extent is to be seen.
Concerns are ok, saying that you want money back or that you will stop supporting GGG because of this is just overeacting.

I'm happy to see GGG is trying to grow, this means the game is healty.

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FrancescoV wrote:

I tnink people are overreacting here.
GGG is trying to grow their business, and this potentially will benefit everyone.
Being multiplatform can mean more income, more income can mean game content coming at an higher pace.

That's a lot of maybe - and that's the point.
The people complaining are sceptical about this and see "their" money which they donated in order to keep the game running and improving on the PC being used for a port with unforeseeable impacts.

Whether you see the port as a great opportunity or a great risk depends on you being an optimist or pessimist.
The people complaining are clearly the latter - doesn't make their concerns less valid.

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Mikrotherion wrote:

Whether you see the port as a great opportunity or a great risk depends on you being an optimist or pessimist.

Whether or not a glass of water is half full or half empty, it's still half a glass of water.

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Hardmuscle wrote:

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Mikrotherion wrote:

Whether you see the port as a great opportunity or a great risk depends on you being an optimist or pessimist.

Whether or not a glass of water is half full or half empty, it's still half a glass of water.

Indeed. And there are those who will say that this is a great opportunity to add more water (port is a good thing) and those who fear the glass will be empty (two thirds etc. empty) soon (port is a bad thing).

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Mikrotherion wrote:

Whether you see the port as a great opportunity or a great risk depends on you being an optimist or pessimist.
The people complaining are clearly the latter - doesn't make their concerns less valid.

As I said.. concerns are ok. But many of the comments I have seen after the announcement... they don't look like concerns... they look like panic.