Map diversity sucks hard without trading

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tomatopotato wrote:

I wouldn't mind enhanced drop tables for SSF in exchange for no transfers.

i.e. completely self-contained league

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Jennik wrote:

There are tons of options to fix the Atlas.

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Shnikins wrote:

POE is definitely "Trade to win". There is no way to complete all of the challenges in leagues without trading.

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k1rage wrote:

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tomatopotato wrote:

I wouldn't mind enhanced drop tables for SSF in exchange for no transfers.

i.e. completely self-contained league

bad idea

SSF and the normal game need to have the same rules

(aside from the trade/party thing) lol

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Jennik wrote:

I wrote a thread about some serious issues with self found play a while back. One of them is what made me quit playing last league on day three. This is that issue, and it's still super awful.

Unlocking new maps to progress in the Atlas is neat. You play the map, kill the boss, and can now have the next map drop. If you played the right version of the map, you also get the Atlas bonus. I like this, but it does have the obvious problem of shutting down progression for builds that can't handle certain bosses.

The problem is getting the map to drop so you can run it in the first damn place. For example, Armoury unlocks Arena, but trades in for Atoll. This means that you have to play your Armoury maps in order to unlock Arena. I've done this countless times already, yet I have not had a single Arena map drop. Quay into Underground River is another of these, where I've probably killed dozens of that annoying boss without getting the right map to drop. I have a fat stack of tier 11s from running them, at least, for what little that's worth.

Eventually either things drop or I save up enough maps to trade in if there's a route to even do that in the first place. I just have to grind maps I don't want to run in the first place over and over and over again until it happens. It took me forever to finally get Tropical Island to drop. That's my favorite map. I've been running them every chance I get, hoping for a Reef. Of course I don't have a Reef. Now I'm saving up to trade in three of a map I want to run every time it drops just to finally unlock another map I want to play.

This sucks. Hard.

I don't like having to buy content. It feels shitty, especially since I'm a self found player. When I transition at some point out of self found late in a league, it's so I can do neat things with my builds that I couldn't with my drops. It's not so I can run a damn tier 9 map I can't get to drop on my own.

Please fix this problem.

You can make it so a boss drops the next map after you kill it a certain number of times if that map isn't unlocked yet (every 3 or so). You can allow maps adjacent to unlocked maps to drop anywhere instead of just in adjacent maps, or at least as long as you achieved the bonus. There are so many more options that don't result in self found players getting fucked, not being able to run the maps they want to run, and having to run maps they don't want to run.

I'm in red maps now. The problem is much worse here due to the lower drop rates of high tier maps. This is ruining the game for me. Zana helped a little earlier. I think she unlocked 2-3 maps. She's not doing shit anymore, though. Now the game just sucks. As a self found player, I can no longer progress through the Atlas without insane amounts of grinding.

This is the regular content of the game, GGG. You don't need to lock this away behind absurd grinding walls like Uber Atziri or unique drop impossibility like The Vinktar Square.

Let me play the damn maps. Please.

And to people out there who really want to rage against self found players, fixing this would also make mapping less annoying for all of you. Don't argue against improvement simply because it also helps people who do something you hate.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Yes, even SSF players buy maps - from Zana and vendor recipes.