"Offering to the Goddess" -> I don't like this

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Zaludoz wrote:
I can understand being bothered by this. In real life, people are putting value in an object that is to be offered to a deity, albeit, in a video game. A monotheistic christian knows that there is only 1 true real God, and all others were created by humans, just like this false deity that you fight in a video game. The value being put upon the idol, or offering to a false god is repugnant to their values.

Personally, I've never encountered this item in my playtime, and don't like the Labyrinth anyway, so I'd never see myself using an offering to enter that place, but I understand this concept very easily.


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The Bible clearly teaches not to worship any other Gods, and giving an offering to another god is doing just that. The act being done in a video game or in real life has very little difference, since they're all false gods apart from the one in the Bible. When Jesus was tempted by satan, he only wanted a single act of worship, that of bowing to him, that simple, and would have been a repugnant sin on Jesus' part, which he refused adamantly.


You understand completely.
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These offerings make me sick too.

First, they don't drop enough given the 350+ enchant options for helms. Leveling 3 characters from 1 to 93, 91, and 89, and completing 125/126 atlas, I've found under 60 offerings (and I've done every map trial I see). This rare entrance fee is ridiculous given the massive grind / RNG due to excessive dilution of the enchant pool. Helm enchanting is much too heavily biased toward trade.

Second, if you die in the lab you lose: XP + your progress for that run + the entrance fee. It's a triple death penalty. Unfortunately this (along with excessive spikiness/rng in incoming damage) has obliterated the HC playerbase. HC league participation has never been lower.

Third, offerings don't stack. There's no good reason for this, other than GGG making decisions that make gameplay worse to try to promote stash sales.
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Wow. I'm pretty sure you shamed your God the minute you started playing PoE, at any rate. Pretty sure Necromancy, sorcery, mass murder, blood drinking, climbing into a demon's bowels, and taking god-like power for yourself pretty much already screwed your covenant.

Giving a piece of stone to a statue is the least of your problems.

If this is just a troll, I salute your creativity and delivery.
"We're pilgrims in an unholy land."
Last edited by Nenjin#4415 on Nov 10, 2016, 11:58:04 AM
So obviously aren't playing Rangers or Marauders? And definitly no witch... maybe Templer... but he actually doubts his god, which isn't unreasonable when he steps into piety's laboraty, propably a similar feeling allied soldiers had after WW2.

But did you know that Offerings to a godess aren't even uncommon in christian believe. In a lot of areas mary is worshipped like a godess, since she gave birth to jesus who is seen as a good, thus she must be a godess, otherwise she couldn't give birth to a god. Thus offerings to her are sometimes seen as offerings to the godess.

And if we asume that a lot of christian leaders in the middleage were kings or emperors by gods mercy it actually makes a lot of sense, that she overseas their process of ascension.

Also our earth is a matriarchaic world, so despite god not having a gender we depict him as male, because in our world most people assume that if someone rules, he is male. Wraeclast might be a bit different, considering that there are a few very strong female characters. So their view of god could be more flexible than ours and the godess in the labyrinth is basically just one of gods manifestations, which likely can take on any form.

Also this godess actually is not linked to the gods the templer speaks of. Wraeclast knows many cultures with different Gods. The Karui have their gods, the marauder permanently mentions, the Marakesh have their gods, the Vaal propably had their gods, the empire had his gods and it is not clear if those are the same of the black guards. Theopolis however is a name that is already contradictionary, by name it is a city of believe, but what we know about it, reality is a bit different (much like Vatican city, which contains propably as much corruption as it does prayers).

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The Bible clearly teaches not to worship any other Gods, and giving an offering to another god is doing just that. The act being done in a video game or in real life has very little difference, since they're all false gods apart from the one in the Bible.


Doesn't that require you actually believing this is a god. And then as well if it doesn't make a difference if it is in a game or not, how is killing any different? You aren't killing actual humans, but again, you aren't actually giving an actual offering to an actual god. So if you are that strict you should be that strict in general about all the rules. Otherwise it makes no sense.

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I'm sorry this has been your experience with religion and how it has made you view God, and while I would like to discuss this further, I agree that video game forums are not the place. I would, however, not stereotype all game players as those who would disregard religious beliefs.


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Nah that is not actually my experience with believe. Germany is a very unreligious and liberal country. And as long as the christian church is against allowing female priests, giving the same rights to second marriages it will have a hard standing in a country that is far more liberal than the US. And again WW2 aided alot in alienating germans from religion, because a lot of those secretly taking up arms against the NS regime left church after the war was over because they believed that if god exists, he would not have allowed that and they actually blamed the church (rightfully for most parts) of just ignoring Hitlers rise to power and even agreeing with him because at this time, there were antisemitic tendencies spreading in a lot of areas, including rank and file of the church. So we now have areas from 30-40% Atheist up to 70+%. And a similar thing is happening in other parts of europe as well. WW2 essentially destroyed religion for a lot of europeans.

However I'm not really an Atheist by definition, because this would mean I believe in nothing (which is not the case for many people, they often just don't believe in the "official" version). I believe in a strong humanity that actually can take better care of itself, sadly one thing that keeps us from solving our problems together and in unity is religion, yes it is utilized for that and that is not the purpose, religion was likely invented to keep people together and to assert control over large countries by keeping people something that unites them, but sadly too many of those old tools kept around and it is often hard to modernize them, europe thought a bloody war over modernizing its religious ideas and again it happened right in germany killing about 30% of the population of that time. Islam is another religion that is due for reformation but it lacks the centralized structure of christian religions and again it leads to bloody wars (not as bloody as the old ones though).

If used right religion can still bring people together. But exspecially this first commandment isn't really useful for that purpose, because some people might actually have other believes and if you look at the core of the different religions, they often have very similar messages, helping those less fortunate than you is a core message in the Islam and it isn't much different in the christian religions. But then again both religions have terrible views about females, which luckily in most western countries doesn't matter because even those calling themself christian ignore it mostly but it still has a negative effect in less developed countries exspecially in africa, were woman are often threated terribly. Religion also has a huge negative effect on fighting HIV in those countries, due to being very strict about the use of condoms.
You go around Wraeclast, KILLING monsters, people, kings and queens, LOOTING and STEALING their items. You can play as a Marauder, Occultist and a freakin' Assassin - not to mention a Necromancer. Several items referencing The Grim Reaper, Divine things and sin. You cut your foes down with weapons and the blood is flowing.

I'm sure we can say goodbye to commandment number 5, 7 and 9. But hey, it's a fantasy setting, so it shouldn't matter. But as soon as commandment number 1 is being "questioned", we have a problem?

I'm terribly sorry if I'm coming out as cruel now. I'm usually a pretty nice guy. A tolerant guy. Open minded, even. I even have huge respect for a lot of religious people.

But the moment people starts demanding that the world changes based on their personal religious beliefs, I'm sort of... Lost.

I'm still hoping this is a troll thread.
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Phrazz wrote:
You go around Wraeclast, KILLING monsters, people, kings and queens, LOOTING and STEALING their items. You can play as a Marauder, Occultist and a freakin' Assassin - not to mention a Necromancer. Several items referencing The Grim Reaper, Divine things and sin. You cut your foes down with weapons and the blood is flowing.


Lets not forget he's also got at least one character happily running around wearing a Deicide (god killing) mask. :P
Just a lowly standard player. May RNGesus be with you.
You know, it´s just Pixels, arranged so the Word "Offering to the Goddess" can be read.
It´s all virtual.
There is no real Offering and no real Goddess in this Game.
You can play and all will be good.
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Emphasy wrote:

But did you know that Offerings to a godess aren't even uncommon in christian believe. In a lot of areas mary is worshipped like a godess, since she gave birth to jesus who is seen as a good, thus she must be a godess, otherwise she couldn't give birth to a god. Thus offerings to her are sometimes seen as offerings to the godess.



There are many, many branches of Christianity, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them, maybe even the branch that bwam follows, decries such activity as heresy and worthy of protest. Schisms within the Church are nothing new; just ask medieval Russia!
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No disrespect intended to any person or any religion, and maybe not on topic but..

Before discussing contents in the Bible, maybe research first how and why it was created, when it was created.
Where did all these books came from? Who are the sources of these writings?
And more importantly, do research using not only religious references.
Use historical and other non-religious references outside religion to check the veracity of statements and accounts.

Start with two questions.
Why are there so many christian religions when they only use one Book?
Which religion is the true and correct one?

And for added interest. Include all other religions in finding out the answer.

You will come to realize that your religion is only true if you Believe and you have Faith.
Filthy Casual Scrub.
"Belief is the strongest metal of them all." - Izaro
Last edited by element274#1105 on Nov 10, 2016, 8:06:33 PM
Fun fact. Believing in a religion completely changes the actual physical formation of your brain. The brain structure of a religious individual is completely different from that of a non religious individual.

Take it how ever you want. Just a thought.
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