"Offering to the Goddess" -> I don't like this

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PrimordialDarkness wrote:

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k4n3 wrote:

in all honesty, i am quite certain that a complaint from one person about an item the name of which he finds unacceptable will convince GGG to change it. so perhaps the best advice one could give the OP is to either accept the game as it is or just stop playing and find something that does not offend his vulnerable feelings.

Back when christians got triggered by Elreon's references to God and obvious christian symbolism and complained (because it was "blasphemous"), GGG changed nothing. I sure as heck hope that the case will be the same now.

Since when are one person's religious beliefs enough to change a game?

So if ten people appeared whose religion believes it is wrong to destroy undead skeletons, GGG should remove all skeleton-based mobs from the game?

What are people who think these things up even smoking?

To be fair GGG did have to edit many assets for the release of PoE in China.

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goetzjam wrote:

To be fair GGG did have to edit many assets for the release of PoE in China.

Many games need to change their assets for China. It is simply the only way it will be permitted into the country game market isn't it?

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PrimordialDarkness wrote:

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k4n3 wrote:

in all honesty, i am quite certain that a complaint from one person about an item the name of which he finds unacceptable will convince GGG to change it. so perhaps the best advice one could give the OP is to either accept the game as it is or just stop playing and find something that does not offend his vulnerable feelings.

Back when christians got triggered by Elreon's references to God and obvious christian symbolism and complained (because it was "blasphemous"), GGG changed nothing. I sure as heck hope that the case will be the same now.

Since when are one person's religious beliefs enough to change a game?

So if ten people appeared whose religion believes it is wrong to destroy undead skeletons, GGG should remove all skeleton-based mobs from the game?

What are people who think these things up even smoking?

i mistyped. i already edited my post. should have been "not convince".

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

To be fair GGG did have to edit many assets for the release of PoE in China.

Many games need to change their assets for China. It is simply the only way it will be permitted into the country game market isn't it?

Its a "recommendation" so it doesn't have to have specific flags or something for the China market, but yes almost every game company has to edit assets for a China release, almost always because of the "culture" dictates no "spooky" as I like to say things.


That being said, people can not think for a second that a game company should design content around being "Politically Correct" because it might offend someone's views, this is a game about a harsh reality and exile, it has "titty bitches", it has creatures that transform, it has a whore for crying out loud and this OP has a problem with the fact that the required piece to go into the uber lab is called an "offering to the goddess", which is essentially a character that is in the lab.

As someone else said Goddess is a term used for many religions and views and it in no way is trying to detract or offend someone's view, it isn't a parody or some hidden message, it has its own story that he can read if he so wants to.

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PrimordialDarkness wrote:

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zSavage wrote:

Whoa, you actually think Christianity of all religions is one of mass murder and genocide? Do you even know what Christians believe? Where in the world are you getting your information? Even reading Wikipedia will give you a more accurate summation.

Christian doctrine and christian actions are two entirely different things. Doctrine claims you should not kill, doctrine claims you should never strike back, doctrine claims you should never betray your marriage partner. Last time I checked, those things happen in the christian world.

I call christianity a religion of mass murder and genocide because that is what they did when they spread. A genocide of European pagans who stood opposed to the spread of this alien, outlander religion. Maybe it is you who should be educated in history, because I assure you, I am well versed in the subject.

I can immediately point you to "witch burnings", destruction of pagan temples (If you ever happen to visit the Acropolis in Athens, send me a PM, and I'll come tell you in person all about the Pagan Temple of my forefathers that you visit as an attraction). You could read about the butchering of Eastern European pagans by the Teutonic Order. You could read about what the 4th Crusade did to Constantinople, capital of the Byzantines (A CHRISTIAN empire). You could read about what ALL Crusades did to the Muslims in the "Holy Lands", for that matter.

I could go on and on, but this is not a religious debate forum. If Christianity is not a religion of war and death, I honestly do not know what religion deserves that title. (For the record, I was raised in a predominantly Christian country, one that had its pagan religion thoroughly stamped underfoot.)

however bloody the history of so called Christianity may be, the history of Islam is even bloodier, simply because the crimes commited in the name of Christian God were just a total perversion of simple and noble teachings of man called Jesus, while the core of Islam is strictly based on Muhammad's war and conflict with non-muslims (kafirs) in order to convert them, enslave them or impose a tax on them (Jizya).

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history.
The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD.
Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period”.

Will Durant, The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage, 1935

“The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuuese.”

Francois Gautier, Rewriting Indian History, 1996.

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zSavage wrote:

@PrimoridalDarkness

Holy cow dude, you are super out of line. Your posts are full of attacks on the OP and his beliefs rather than on the actual topic.

Hey zSavage, thanks for being decent.

@Prim, I apologize for resorting to ad hominem characterizations; I didn't realize you would take exception to being called a troll.

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zSavage wrote:

@bwam The item is just a key to open a zone. It's not like it's something you place on an altar and pledge your soul to a made up NPC. You feed it to the map device and it allows you to access the zone.

These "Offerings to the Goddess" items, which you collect in order to gain access to an integral part of the game, are collected, stored, valued, used, and traded en masse.

The idea of setting aside a part of my stash to accrue these "Offering to the Goddess" items makes me feel sick. I feel genuinely repulsed.

I somehow doubt that this was the intention. I am confident that this sort of reaction was in no way intended or sought after -- so I am explaining my reaction, and hoping it is heard.

Simulated false idols: not ok!
Simulated mass murder: two thumbs up!

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bwam wrote:

I somehow doubt that this was the intention. I am confident that this sort of reaction was in no way intended or sought after -- so I am explaining my reaction, and hoping it is heard.

The problem is that you aren't explaining much! Most likely, the other posters attacked you out of frustration of not knowing why, and/or filling in the blanks with their personal experience of strong anti-other-religious sentiment (AKA Christianity, in their lives).

I guess there are legitimate reasons why you wouldn't want to explain why exactly it is that OttGs sicken you. So this thread will probably never go anywhere, as I suspect the only case where you'd reveal the exact reasons OttGs sicken you is in direct conversation with GGG themselves, and they rarely have time to devote to one former unless it's routine customer support things like Steam or changing character names.

You have no problems with fantasy ?
Fine, there is only fantasy in PoE.

Actually, all religions are definitely fantasy so .... ( my opinion, obviously )

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PrimordialDarkness wrote:

But hey, at least you're doing it in an internet forum, which is a heck of a lot less dangerous than the burning, torturing and butchering of people your predecessors were into whenever someone disagreed with them.

Lol, I have to say that made me laugh.

I would be really sad if GGG would change things because of whoever's religious belief in their game, really.

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zSavage wrote:

I'm surprised at the amount of salt and negativity you guys are pumping out.

Let me be straitgh :
Having religious belief is fine ... as long as you don't try to change the world according to them.
Religions ( let's say monotheist religions at least ) have done atrocious things in the past, and keep the world from moving forward, taking liberties from people ( look at spain, look at what might happen in the USA in the next year potentially .... ), and this is just unacceptable.
Now the OP isn't asking for anything that would actually literally hurt anybody, but it's part of religion, and religion is a private thing, religion should never be a public thing, period.

My belief : Fuck religion.
I won't come and try to attack religious people out of nowhere though, only if they try to change the world that I live in because of their belief, most likely even if they want to change details.

Now, the OP's was just a suggestion, not whinning or bitching, but I can understand how that can piss people off, I don't like it either ( some reactions are too much to me tho ).


PS : ( probably most important part of my - already too long - post )
offering to the "goddess"
It is not your goddess, it has nothing to do with your god, accept that other people have other gods, even in a game, and that would be a terrific start imho, really terrific.