"Offering to the Goddess" -> I don't like this

Really Bwam?

'-.-

dying baby's, burned and tortured corpses in puddles of blood left and right...

I rate 7/10 for the turn-out though.

Peace,

-Boem-

Wow, I hope they change it now, just because of these horrible replies the topic has gotten.

Personally, I disconnect "most" games from my beliefs (I examine the story as someone else's opinion on a matter, like reading a book about something I don't agree with), but there are lines I also do not cross. I play most games without using magic, for instance. (yeah, beat FF1 with only blackbelts, and FFXII without ever using magic, so I use it as an additional personal challenge, not playing it entirely because of the existance of magic in the game. Topics like these do not prevent my playing of a game very often (but have on a number of occasions I won't list for people to nitpic.)

I view Path of Exile like a big nightmare that each exile is having, and it's all in the person's head, not reality, no real gods and goddesses, no real magic, no real demons, just a big nightmare. (I still don't use certain skills and most magic on principle anyway, but that's a personal conscience matter)

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adghar wrote:

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bwam wrote:

I somehow doubt that this was the intention. I am confident that this sort of reaction was in no way intended or sought after -- so I am explaining my reaction, and hoping it is heard.

The problem is that you aren't explaining much! Most likely, the other posters attacked you out of frustration of not knowing why, and/or filling in the blanks with their personal experience of strong anti-other-religious sentiment (AKA Christianity, in their lives).

I'll try to explain. Idols occupy the area of creation (man's), and they're always fictitious. The idea of really valuing something, because it gives access to play experience, that is somehow being tied to a simulated offering to a simulated entity is anathema to me.

It's hard to get things changed -- especially when you're not running the show. And I don't expect to be accommodated, but I hope I will be; this game is so much fun, and seeing it grow and playing the game as it does is something I will miss otherwise.

I guess I might dream up designs for my own thing.

I was one of the first to reply to you but you didn't address my questions. What makes you think this is referring to a christian diety? Hera, Athena, and a ton of other goddesses have been a part of religion and mythology for thousands of years. Yet, you seem to think this item is an affront to the christian god. Why?

Dominus is referred to as a god and lives in a place called sceptre of god. Why is this not equally offensive to you?

The player characters in this game all committed crimes. You are playing a murderer when you play the scion. Yet this isn't an affront to your god? Please explain why he doesn't care if you pretend you are a murderer but any reference to a goddess is some kind of blasphemy or other evil.

It's not like people are just bashing on religion here. Some of us just don't understand your apparent hypocrisy.

I can understand being bothered by this. In real life, people are putting value in an object that is to be offered to a deity, albeit, in a video game. A monotheistic christian knows that there is only 1 true real God, and all others were created by humans, just like this false deity that you fight in a video game. The value being put upon the idol, or offering to a false god is repugnant to their values.

Personally, I've never encountered this item in my playtime, and don't like the Labyrinth anyway, so I'd never see myself using an offering to enter that place, but I understand this concept very easily.


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10/10 Would read again. I really hope this has all been a wonderful trolling.


If OP IS being serious... I don't even know where to begin. This is a make-believe world, filled with make-believe monsters, and make-believe magic, and a make believe "goddess" (the green lady that rides around on Izaro's back throwing snot rockets at you). I don't understand how you can justify playing a game where you play the role of a criminal, who wanders around murdering people, and using magic, but somehow "hoarding" false idols is where you draw the line?

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Personally, I disconnect "most" games from my beliefs (I examine the story as someone else's opinion on a matter, like reading a book about something I don't agree with), but there are lines I also do not cross. I play most games without using magic, for instance. (yeah, beat FF1 with only blackbelts, and FFXII without ever using magic, so I use it as an additional personal challenge, not playing it entirely because of the existance of magic in the game. Topics like these do not prevent my playing of a game very often (but have on a number of occasions I won't list for people to nitpic.)

If you are looking for a place that values religios believes a gaming forum is definitly not the right place. The demographic you find here would mostly support Jesus with Minion Damage, because he is obviously a zombie ressurrected by the romans to reform their religious system (because polytheistic religions are soooo expensive, you need so many temples).

But whenever I think about God I have to quote the Infamous Captain James T. Kirk

"What does god need with a starship?"

And this question is, even though it seems totally unrelated very interesting. If god is an almight benevolent being why is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" the number one commandment it is highly unlikely that god even if he wants us to live by certain rules (the other actually useful commandments about the no killing etc.)

Because putting this commandment first means it is the one of the highest priority, thus turning it into prime legitimation to kill others, because not killing is obviously not as important as believing into the "real god".

And actually PoE is a bit critic of that as well. The Templer basically is a man of faith, but essentially turning away from his church to find his own salvation.

If I learned something from a few thousand years of history and my own life it is that god doesn't give a shit about humans, but a lot of humans give a shit about other humans. So if you need help, look to other humans, chances are you might actually get help. I help people if they are in need and I'm able to and everyone should do so and you shouldn't need a god to do that. And if a god decides to punish me for that... well so be it, but he doesn't get my starship.

Only replying to Emphasy

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mark1030 wrote:

I was one of the first to reply to you but you didn't address my questions. What makes you think this is referring to a christian diety? Hera, Athena, and a ton of other goddesses have been a part of religion and mythology for thousands of years. Yet, you seem to think this item is an affront to the christian god. Why?

Hi mark, I recognize you from your other posts. Sorry I didnt respond right away, I wasnt expecting much of a response, and Prim's animosity caught me by surprise.

I think, if you look at the post right above yours, you'll see that, for me, the issue is about idolatry.

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mark1030 wrote:

Dominus is referred to as a god and lives in a place called sceptre of god. Why is this not equally offensive to you?

The player characters in this game all committed crimes. You are playing a murderer when you play the scion. Yet this isn't an affront to your god?

Dominus is an enemy NPC act boss, whom you defeat to progress from act 3 to act 4. It's in no way offensive to me for a villain to be portrayed as bad.

And playing a criminal? If that's an offense, Id be floored, but I somehow doubt the author of Grace is concerned with that; I think, more likely, the only person concerned with it are ppl trying to catch me in some sort of contradiction. But there isn't one.

You're a good poster, mark. You add to community discussion. Gl :)