Fallout 4....the disappontment

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

Surely you had meant to suggest Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen, right? It would be the perfect combat upgrade from what they have now without being too huge of a departure.

No, I meant to say Dark Messiah because I remember the combat as a good experience, never tried Dragon's Dogma so I got no idea what it actually feels like and after watching the video I'm not sure if it would work as well in first person.

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DDusk wrote:

compare Witcher 3 to fallout 4...

W3 is superior in EVERY single way and was made with less money....

I beg the difference, W3 is a very poor game, with bad mechanics, shallow gameplay, no customization, cumbersome combat system, not to mention its not a true open world game like fallout 4 or skyrim. It just have big zones for you to walk around, but these are still zones and you get a proper fat loading screen when moving between zones.

Bethesda makes some of the best if not the best open world sandbox games in the market, Even tho they messed up a bit with fallout 4, by putting to much resource on the sims part of the game, its only because our beloved lead designer was really into sims and minecraft sort of shit.

I completed both skyrim and fallout 4 in vanilla first, to get the feel of the game and I loved it. I think I loved skyrim more than fallout as for some strange reason karma have been removed from fallout 4 and you could no longer be really truly evil.

If anyone here want to make something in fallout or skyrim, im almost 100% sure that there is a mod for that.

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Miazga wrote:

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DDusk wrote:

compare Witcher 3 to fallout 4...

W3 is superior in EVERY single way and was made with less money....

I beg the difference, W3 is a very poor game, with bad mechanics, shallow gameplay, no customization, cumbersome combat system, not to mention its not a true open world game like fallout 4 or skyrim. It just have big zones for you to walk around, but these are still zones and you get a proper fat loading screen when moving between zones.

Bethesda makes some of the best if not the best open world sandbox games in the market, Even tho they messed up a bit with fallout 4, by putting to much resource on the sims part of the game, its only because our beloved lead designer was really into sims and minecraft sort of shit.

I completed both skyrim and fallout 4 in vanilla first, to get the feel of the game and I loved it. I think I loved skyrim more than fallout as for some strange reason karma have been removed from fallout 4 and you could no longer be really truly evil.

If anyone here want to make something in fallout or skyrim, im almost 100% sure that there is a mod for that.

First: All mechanics in witcher 3 are better: the combat requires a mix of dodge and attacks, spells, potions, F4 u point and shoot and chug stimpacks when ur low hp.....How is that superiour in any way.

Second: the graphics are Vastly superior.... no need to argumetn further.

Third: the story ...I mean even the sidequests are 10 times more engaging and interesting requiering detective work, oposed to F4 quests of go there kill that person or go there get that thing, occasionally roll a dialogue line for non combat aproach...

There is NOTHING literaly in F4 that is better... not 1 thing.

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DDusk wrote:

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Miazga wrote:

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DDusk wrote:

compare Witcher 3 to fallout 4...

W3 is superior in EVERY single way and was made with less money....

I beg the difference, W3 is a very poor game, with bad mechanics, shallow gameplay, no customization, cumbersome combat system, not to mention its not a true open world game like fallout 4 or skyrim. It just have big zones for you to walk around, but these are still zones and you get a proper fat loading screen when moving between zones.

Bethesda makes some of the best if not the best open world sandbox games in the market, Even tho they messed up a bit with fallout 4, by putting to much resource on the sims part of the game, its only because our beloved lead designer was really into sims and minecraft sort of shit.

I completed both skyrim and fallout 4 in vanilla first, to get the feel of the game and I loved it. I think I loved skyrim more than fallout as for some strange reason karma have been removed from fallout 4 and you could no longer be really truly evil.

If anyone here want to make something in fallout or skyrim, im almost 100% sure that there is a mod for that.

First: All mechanics in witcher 3 are better: the combat requires a mix of dodge and attacks, spells, potions, F4 u point and shoot and chug stimpacks when ur low hp.....How is that superiour in any way.

Second: the graphics are Vastly superior.... no need to argumetn further.

Third: the story ...I mean even the sidequests are 10 times more engaging and interesting requiering detective work, oposed to F4 quests of go there kill that person or go there get that thing, occasionally roll a dialogue line for non combat aproach...

There is NOTHING literaly in F4 that is better... not 1 thing.

well, thats your opinion, I still stand at mine and still think witcher 3 is a poorly made game

True.

But ur opinion is purely subjective...that of a fanboy and nothing more.

Usualy people bring arguments to the table.

I'm pretty much disappointed about the lack of mod support and the 1gb limit.

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DDusk wrote:

True.

But ur opinion is purely subjective...that of a fanboy and nothing more.

Usualy people bring arguments to the table.

Partly it is, but so is yours.
So lets talk facts.

True open world experience:
fallout 4 (fully open world) vs large areas with loading screens in between in W3

Win for FO4

Customization of main character:
Fallout 4 ( play as female or male, change your appearance anyway you want) - W3 - play as Geralt

Win for FO4

Weapons:
Fallout 4 both melee and range - various types; but I think its more fair to compare W3 to skyrim so:
Skyrim - many different type of weapons, cutting, slashing, blunt, ranged, magic as well as shield, 1 and 2 handed vs. W3 - swords, more sword, xbow, some magic

Win for FO4

Freedom of Gameplay:
both are similar - one dont have to follow the main quest straight away and can explore these surroundings

Tie

Crafting:
Both games have items crafting systems

Tie

Graphics:
Fallout 4 on Ultra and Witcher 3 on Ultra
In my opinion they are the same, both have weather systems, particle system, motion blur, dynamic shadows, bad light sourcing, native higher res textures (2k for FO4 - not sure what it is for W3)

Tie

I could go on, breaking down each element of the game, but sadly Im in work and dont have all the time I need for it.
Still overall I do feel that FO4 have more going for it than W3, unless you are a big fun of Witcher saga and enjoy replaying the books.

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TakodaNewton90 wrote:

I'm pretty much disappointed about the lack of mod support and the 1gb limit.

console user im guessing.

Well if you are, dont be disappointed with the game, but with the console maker which prevents all the cool mods to be used. PC users dont have this kind of problem.

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Miazga wrote:

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DDusk wrote:

True.

But ur opinion is purely subjective...that of a fanboy and nothing more.

Usualy people bring arguments to the table.

Partly it is, but so is yours.
So lets talk facts.

True open world experience:
fallout 4 (fully open world) vs large areas with loading screens in between in W3

Win for FO4

Customization of main character:
Fallout 4 ( play as female or male, change your appearance anyway you want) - W3 - play as Geralt

Win for FO4

Weapons:
Fallout 4 both melee and range - various types; but I think its more fair to compare W3 to skyrim so:
Skyrim - many different type of weapons, cutting, slashing, blunt, ranged, magic as well as shield, 1 and 2 handed vs. W3 - swords, more sword, xbow, some magic

Win for FO4

Freedom of Gameplay:
both are similar - one dont have to follow the main quest straight away and can explore these surroundings

Tie

Crafting:
Both games have items crafting systems

Tie

Graphics:
Fallout 4 on Ultra and Witcher 3 on Ultra
In my opinion they are the same, both have weather systems, particle system, motion blur, dynamic shadows, bad light sourcing, native higher res textures (2k for FO4 - not sure what it is for W3)

Tie

I could go on, breaking down each element of the game, but sadly Im in work and dont have all the time I need for it.
Still overall I do feel that FO4 have more going for it than W3, unless you are a big fun of Witcher saga and enjoy replaying the books.

Ok let's do this:

1: the amount of content in one w3 map far exceeds all content of f4 map, in detail, npc's, enemies, items scattered, quests etc. In every dungeon u enter in F4 u get a loading screens so..bbye seemles theory.

2: Customisation: w3 is based on a book with a set main character...f4 u make a bloke whith the charismna of a cardboard cutout...horrible facial animations and 0 backstory.

I prefer the fleshed out character....this point of view is purely subjective and u cant put a WIN on it.

3: "weapons" making a weapons category is stupid since the combat of f4 revolves around aiming and shooting and chuging stims as i said before. absolute 0 depth to it, also skyrim combat is as shallow as F4 since all the "blunt" "slashy" "stabby" weapons do the exact same thing with no difference in effect...it's just numbers.... all u can du is click clik untill enemies health drops to 0, or if ur maje click click untill enemie drops... again 0 depth... W3 on the other hand combines the melee combat with the magic with the traps and the potions to get an actual feeling of combat if ur above easy difficulty.
U can't sit still and click away....

4:graphics...ARE YOU SHITTING ME, there is 0 similarity, my rig can run both on ultra 2.5k and F4 still looks SLIGHTLY better than f3...witch is dogshit.... no1 and i mean no1 wil ever say they are similar unleas they are just blind....flat out blind.

There is no1 out there...no reviewer...no true gamer that will ever say that F4 is better or even the equal of W3...Witch is also preatty dam obvious from the reviews...
And my suspition is u didn't even play w3....

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raics wrote:

Right, I did say in another thread about rpg recommendations that Bethesda's games always felt kinda bland. And it made sense, it's an open world game so you spend too much time and resources on shaping the world and fixing a fuckton of bugs that traditionally plague open world games because there's too much crap that can go wrong.
But then Witcher 3 happened and said fuck you wannabes, this is how you make an open world game. Who said they can't have great quests, memorable characters, good combat and a strong main plot line. It was even fairly bug-free, I played it after a few patches and haven't ran into anything major, certainly nothing that would make me use console commands to finish the quest.

Divinity OS also had entertaining quests, help a tom woo his favorite kitty, unmask a rotten mine foreman and then encourage the miner's window to incite a crowd into lynching him on the spot, run all over looking for a whore desperate enough to entertain a lonely bridge troll. And the reaction of a local werecat wizard to completing the cat quest is gold, you can tell they had a lot of fun making the game. Not quite as good as quests in Divine Divinity but still pretty good.

I haven't actually played W3 yet, so I can't make the comparison. In regards to D:OS I loved it enough to auto-support #2 in kickstarter.

Something I miss from Morrowind in both Skyrim and Oblivion is the ability to ruin the game by killing plot integral NPCs. Prevents me from doing my victory lap from Morrowind where I'd cheat and make a spell that had the biggest possible AOE, did the most possible damage in all damage types, and made it so I could levitate/fly. I'd just rain hell down all the towns and kill everyone before I started a new character.