bought some tabs, and a Currency Tab - feedback

noone has a problem with paying for stuff.

issue is that ggg advertises this product as supported with 100% ethical MTX that give no gameplay advantage.

this is a lie. if they remove this from their website and promo they spread around the world - ill be perfectly fine with the current state of affairs. i simply do not being lied with straight face.

but i know that ggg wont remove that - not because they do not agree but because the mere fact of advertising as 100% ethical MTX f2p is a strong marketing asset they can play to attract players. pretending to be saints.. this is pretty cynical.



as for the diminishing returns: so maybe, if the game is rather barely-playable with 4 tabs it is time to make a frontloaded purchase of lets say 32$ (for 8 pack of tabs including 1premium and 1currency) and stop this 'but this is free to play' masquerade

you are right that 1000 tabs is nuisance, but you are also right in saying that it translates to HUGE advantage getting more than starting 4 tabs gives


note: divination cards punish 4tab players THE MOST. as they cannot complete them NOR they can sell them comfortably (if at all). gems you can get from vendors, maps you can up-vendor and keep only highest appropriate level one.

People who suggest turning one of the 4 original stash tabs to a premium one; think about the players who have no "basic" stashtabs. They'd be screwed right over for buying premium tab upgrades.

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More on topic, while tabs do give a huge advantage, lacking additional stash tabs does not limit a player from playing the whole content the game has to offer.

It limits how much/many items you can pickup and attempt to save overtime, pretty much forcing you to use mules. This is not a problem from my perspective.

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Premium tabs are a whole another story with the trading improvements being implemented in them...
Not to mention the ability to outright bypass stack limits with currency tab.

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sidtherat wrote:

you do not get it and as you are new here - it is understandable

I may be relatively new here (6-7 months) but I have played other F2P games and they will suck your balls to get to your wallet. Give you every P2W micros you could imagine so long as you pay up. Which I have learned to accept, as not every player is a 'no lifer' as you call them, they could only play for a limited time. Why not give them a chance to enjoy those unreachable content of your game by selling them some limited advantages, which they will happily pay for with their hard earned cash.

I know it's P2W, and GGG would never do it. That is why I am amazed by how much premium stash tab gets flack. What we have here is fair, better from what other F2P games would claim fair is.

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sidtherat wrote:

what John (and me, and many others) is not-so-happy about is the fact that GGG still advertises themselves as '100% ethical mtx' while this is no longer even close to the truth

noone here complains about company needing money or whatnot - im happy to pay for the service - but my gym does not advertise themselves as free and then ask me to pay for showers.

'Cmon man, you still believe the hype. Those are advertisements design to lure potential customers, just like beauty products, they can say up to the debatable limit of what the definition of "100% ethical free-to-play MTX" is. Was it ethical? I don't know, and frankly I don't care.

That is the beauty of free-to-play you can play for free and find out for yourself if what they advertise is true, or bunch of BS whipped from GGG's ass. Surely before you bought any of the MTX here in POE you have tried the game without paying anything, right?

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sidtherat wrote:

currently, to play the game with any reasonable comfort (aka - full product) you need at least a currency tab + 8 tabs (with one being premium). this is the minimal number where you are playing a game instead of enduring it.


the 'but it is not a win' strawmans keep away from this thread - they bring nothing, weve moved past these tricks 3 years ago

Ok, if GGG would do it then sure. But I doubt it, those tabs, you only need to invest on them once, and use them for the lifetime of your POE game life, they will not expire. Is it really that bad?

they never said you could fully enjoy the game without paying the entrance fee.

the game is "free" as in you can freely go to every area, theoretically have/buy every item in it, beat every boss and no player can purchase ingame items that make it easier to beat a boss like currency or gear.

of course you get an advantage having more tabs, you reach endgame and trade much faster. that's always been the case. it's not that they implemented tab purchases just now. i know that the game wouldn't exist in it's current form without them.

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vio wrote:

they never said you could fully enjoy the game without paying the entrance fee.

the game is "free" as in you can freely go to every area, theoretically have/buy every item in it, beat every boss and no player can purchase ingame items that make it easier to beat a boss like currency or gear.

of course you get an advantage having more tabs, you reach endgame and trade much faster. that's always been the case. it's not that they implemented tab purchases just now. i know that the game wouldn't exist in it's current form without them.

please read my posts. trade is just one advantage. there are things you CANNOT DO without appropriate tabs. I know it from bitter, lengthy experience. not theory.

as for entrance fees like I wrote, you can throw thousands of dollars GGG's way and never buy a single tab. only actual MTX.

and frankly, I am fkn pissed off at this point to read arguments like "yeah it's P2W but there are worse / you need to pay it to support the team".
that's bullshit. I explained why, twice. Sid explained why a thousand times. Pyro as well.

are you guys really THAT brainwashed by the crappy state the current f2p market is in?
yes, GGG are far, far more ethical than a fkn iPhone gaming company. doesn't mean Tabs and the marketing thereof needs to stay the way it is.

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johnKeys wrote:

as for entrance fees like I wrote, you can throw thousands of dollars GGG's way and never buy a single tab. only actual MTX.

i ever knew you're special.

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vio wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

as for entrance fees like I wrote, you can throw thousands of dollars GGG's way and never buy a single tab. only actual MTX.

i ever knew you're special.

I didn't do it, but it is possible in theory and some people do buy MTX and packs without buying tabs.

stop trolling and address the point.

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johnKeys wrote:

I didn't do it, but it is possible in theory and some people do buy MTX and packs without buying tabs.

there probably is a reason why ggg throws decorational mtx after you for just causing them costs (aka playing a temp league): portals, pets, whole armor sets, you name it.

without them selling stash tabs the game wouldn't exist in it's current form. if at all.

chris has said on reddit some time ago that only a small percent of the players support at all. i don't think they were buying all armor sets or alternate skill animations.

if you criticise their practice of selling ingame comfort, please name an alternative method.

alternative is simple - stop spreading lies that game is supported with 100% ethical MTX. it isnt.

it is supported by semi-mandatory HUGE QoL stash tabs, with trading being gated beind pay-wall (no, the 3rd party software does not count, these are slowly dying anyway..) + you can buy MTX (that are quite popular by the looks of act3/4 towns - people show off their mostly bad taste with pride..)


i have NO problem with stuff being just like it is now - game is free, you like it and would like to play it seriously - you pay the shelf price (stash tab bundle, currency tab, premium tab) and you are free to go. with the 'starting pack' of just 4 tabs it is just a demo version.


just stop this '110% ethical MTX' stuff - it is a lie and just looks cynical (is used to 'gain' few popularity points around when it is simply not true)

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vio wrote:

without them selling stash tabs the game wouldn't exist in it's current form. if at all.

that's a pretty strong assumption. I believe Tabs did not exist back when the main funding for the game was raised. Diamond Packs etc'.

all the shiny MTX means something, and people do buy it.
and they buy packs too, for signed shirts and posters and to keep an awesome bunch of guys at doing an awesome job.

tabs are a best-seller? sure. for the wrong reason: they give something no pet or poster can.
ethical? hell no!
and "ethical" was always part of the reason why some of us are here.
why you are here.

do not fuck this up for a larger piece of silver, even if the entire goddamned industry does nowadays.
there are other ways.