[2.4 Video] LULFinder Malice COC Discharge. Shaper in 4mins15sec, NO Legacy VINKTAR

Were doing shaper - The slam kills me. Not sure how to dodge it. Sometime I do.. some times not. Weird stuff. BUt yeah, shaper is a dps-run.

Got voll's +1

Couple last questions: How do I dodge slam of shaper?

What bandints u went for, mr @Giaocolam ?
(mine are: kill\attack speed\power charge) - right now Im thinking that I went right way. Whats your thought about this?

is cyclone damage40% enchant on helmet any good? i want some idea while farming lab

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haHAAm wrote:

is cyclone damage40% enchant on helmet any good? i want some idea while farming lab

No, cyclone is only used to proc discharges with Malice. Discharge is 99% of your damage.

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Icaros wrote:

Trying this with Veteran Bowyer, working out nicely.
Kiara's flask gives me stun immune (as well as curse and freeze), plus onslaught.
That makes up for the status immune from Master Alchemist.

In exchange we get 10% elemental penetration, and 100% increased flask charges from enemies with elemental ailments. For that I swapped Elemental Focus for Controlled Destruction. Shock and Ignite actually provide a very nice damage boost on the occasional hard to kill mob.

Kiara doesnt give extra move from adrenaline which around 45% movementspeed with pathfinder. And it's only last for 2.8 sec, while all my other flask got base 4.8 sec, so it's abit off sync. If you feel comfortable then go for it though.

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iwonderwice wrote:

Got voll's +1

Couple last questions: How do I dodge slam of shaper?

What bandints u went for, mr @Giaocolam ?
(mine are: kill\attack speed\power charge) - right now Im thinking that I went right way. Whats your thought about this?

Shield charge out? 100% never get hit by slam. Only problem slam cause is you cant dps him while he slaming. Took off your golem and totem, he'll lesslikely spam slam on you.

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haHAAm wrote:

is cyclone damage40% enchant on helmet any good? i want some idea while farming lab

Discharge enchant, 40% damage, 30% consume charge.

Curse effect 30%, perfer assasin mark. Enfeeble of defensive, Ele weak for offensive.

Grant 150% ice golem buff : 60% crit chance and 60% accuracy, much worth, not like you can find crit chance/accuracy any more on your skill tree. Downside is your golem not always up at boss fight like Guardian /uber atziri/shaper

Cyclone 12% attack speed: Well not really worth but better than nothing.

Blade vortex duration 40%: Some how let you drop 4 points from Inc duration node, or just keep it there for BV stacks at long boss fight.

Haste or Discipline Aura reverse: Allow 1 curse user drop some Mana reverse node, or fit 2 purity in instead of Haste (if you discipline aura reverse).

Pretty much all of it

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Shield charge out? 100% never get hit by slam.

Cant read animation. Gotta watch more videos ^(.

btw - made over 150 uber lab runs. Not a single enchant close to the needed. Sup xD

In your videos - Not a single slam oO. He was slamming me like 3-4 time a stage ;D

Another question about lvling - How do U lvl ? 1 casual reflect creep can spoil an hour-two exp-run.
Usuing aurabots lately - still getting selfshoted. I know the thing about vinktar, but u never know when u get this "lovely-creep".
For fast run I am using area + dying sun. What should I do? I am confused and mad about this stuff.

Im not sure why I am doing less than half your damage to shaper... are you able check my profile and tell me why my dps is so low?

p.s i use a different helm for shaper, 30% discharge and i use ele weakness + assassins mark in it

any help appreciated :)

Assassin or Pathfinder?? Heard two different things. People saying assassin is min/maxed better with gear requirements.

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iwonderwice wrote:

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Shield charge out? 100% never get hit by slam.

Cant read animation. Gotta watch more videos ^(.

btw - made over 150 uber lab runs. Not a single enchant close to the needed. Sup xD

In your videos - Not a single slam oO. He was slamming me like 3-4 time a stage ;D

Another question about lvling - How do U lvl ? 1 casual reflect creep can spoil an hour-two exp-run.
Usuing aurabots lately - still getting selfshoted. I know the thing about vinktar, but u never know when u get this "lovely-creep".
For fast run I am using area + dying sun. What should I do? I am confused and mad about this stuff.

Congratz, you've reach the min maxing stage, where your Peak dps too high that you can 1shot your self on serveral cases. People can use this build even on hardcore, Forsi in page 2 reached 98 and near 99 with this build in EHC with his defensive setup.

Your peak dps (maximum charge, crit, max damage) on a reflect + volatile monster which affected by both Eleweak and assasin mark, will be very dangerous and can 1 shot you.

So the solution is:
- Lower your multiplier while mapping, by using attack speed/maximum energy shield Jewel. You got more than enough dps for mapping (recommend)

- Swap Enfeeble instead of Element weakness: Safer mapping, lower DPS so you cant 1 shot (recommend)

- Got a full defensive ES shield (600+)

- Respect skill tree, less dps, more ES (not recommend)

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lolheretic wrote:

Im not sure why I am doing less than half your damage to shaper... are you able check my profile and tell me why my dps is so low?

p.s i use a different helm for shaper, 30% discharge and i use ele weakness + assassins mark in it

any help appreciated :)

-1st. Always use ASSASIN MARK : Assasin's mark is a must, it increased both your cyclone and discharge. You always have to use it, kind of double dips.

-2nd. This build is min maxing on DPS/sustain. It scale on multiplier. If you want dps, then get atleast 3 damage mods ( 2 multi- 1 spell damage) jewel. If you want defensive then maximum ES.

-3rd. Your skill tree???, you have dual curse, why still take Aura node?, if because enlighten 3 then you just need 1 point for 4%, near CI node.
2 point 5% max ES near CI node for what?, you can easy get 12% near EE nodes.

You dont have Duration node? you'll have trouble sustain Blade vortex at long boss fight. Longer BV = more BV stacks = more Charges = more DPS at long boss fight.

You're just 92, 1 jew less, you need 95 to reach maximum DPS.

And finally, if you can afford 5G voll's, which mean your accu is high enough, your tree should look like this:



Duration only need at shaper, can respect to more DPS/ ES% node.

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_IMMUNE_ wrote:

Assassin or Pathfinder?? Heard two different things. People saying assassin is min/maxed better with gear requirements.

Assasin is better for DPS output, Free Inc strike, you can get 4Link malice, 7link Cyclone, Your charges is stable, your DPS peak is very high. But you'll have to link life leech, and warlord mark also to sustain with out vinktar, and it's still not as good as vinktar. If you got Vinktar legacy then yeah.


Pathfinder is better for everything. The ability to use Flask is just imbalance.

You got safer reflect with Dyingsun/vinktar perma.(30% effect x 6% max = 1.8% +6%=7.8%, but it'll round down to 7% max. While 50% effect x6% = 3% +6% = 9% max res , so it's 2% max res different. And 1 purity lv 20 without effect can only give you 4% max res)
Vinktar with 50% effect make your ES instant full, not like lifeleech/warlord mark.

Dying sun with 50% effect = 45% Area , all your skill got a free Inc area effect ( shield charge/BV/Discharge/cyclone).

Rumis 50% effect give you 70% block and 4500 armour, around 20% block spell too.

When using rumis with Chemist's Basalt Flask of iron skin. You get 70% block, 90% phys reduction, 20% block spell, 30% reflect melee attack, which make phys attack a joke.

Adranaline quicksilver 50% effect + Nature adrenaline =120% move speed and 20% attack speed. Affect both Shield charge, and cyclone = both clear speed (shield charge) and single target dps (cyclone).

And your flask last like 8 sec with pathfinder.


So overall i still prefer pathfinder, because it's imbalance, you can have it all, Defensive/Offensive/Clear speed/Single target dips.

Thank you for the response.