SliverTongue Unique Is Poorly Made, Heres Why

They could make fork give more projectiles when it forks and let it fork up to X times after initial hit.

Which makes positioning vs mobs interesting to get the best possible spread.

Let us not pretend ranged isn't broken no mater what GGG decides to do :/

But yeah, i'm not really on either side in this subject since i think it's way to early to be discussing this subject at all.

All i did say on this subject is that the bow is superior to the mace they previewed.

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mark1030 wrote:
You are basing future builds off a future item using currently available builds. How do you know that fork will keep it's damage penalty? Or that another way to get fork without the penalty will get added? There is already one item that has built in fork. You sure there won't be any others? Why are you sure that pierce will keep it's superiority with the more damage mod? You say that the build has to be a bleed build made with an assassin because that's the best class for it. Well it's clear an assassin bleed build would not use this bow because it doesn't gain anything by using it. So maybe you should be thinking about other builds that could use it better. A lot of the passives that boost bleed damage are below the duelist.



see the post just above yours. the tldr is either fork will be like pierce and be broken op or it will be useless.


as for why assassin, because assassin with any bow = better than any other class with this bow at a bleed build.


we already know they are still modifying it , however culling speculation just because they might buff something is a pointless sentiment .

the devs cant think of everything . and it is silly for you or anyone else to think that they magically covered all of the bases in a game this complex.

you say what if they changed fork? i say what if they did not?
you say what if they changed ascendancies? i say what if they did not?
you say what if they already changed the bow? i say what if they changed it in the wrong way?

lets be clear saying nothing is stupid as fuck. if you sit silently about a possible concern you have trusting in the perfect clarity of others .. then you have no right to complain after the fact when they reveal themselves to be the imperfect beings they are and disappoint you.

I on the other hand think it more prudent to at-least draw attention to the issue. and to do that you use what you got.

hell we got the atlas respec BECAUSE people were looking at it with incomplete information and saying . "hey ggg this system looks to be ridiculously exploitable"

or how about the essences when people pointed out what they could do with master mods. again those changes happened because people use information they had at the moment to draw conclusions about stuff they did not . and turns out they were right . ggg become aware of it and addressed it.

so please.. stop with this silly notion that we should not voice our concerns just because we dont know everything. by the time we know everything it is often too damn late you all know it
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Saltychipmunk wrote:
so please.. stop with this silly notion that we should not voice our concerns
I don't have a problem with voicing concerns. Nobody said you shouldn't voice your concerns. I have a problem with calling unreleased items crap (or poorly made as the title says).
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Last edited by mark1030#3643 on Aug 26, 2016, 2:15:40 PM
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eragon1111 wrote:


100% crit on fork for created arrows - useless on 99% of bosses in the game and useless for assassin. You will always use pierce.

Arrows on pierce cause bleed - nobody cares, bleed is terrible + assassin can bleed enemies by default.

Arrows always pierce after chaining - useless on 99% of bosses, useless when you have 100% pierce by default.
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Now lets tackle your arguments:
"It is not just bleed, but you will also have a chance to poison too" - thats the base concept of Assassin, this bow has nothing to do with that and doesnt improve/help with poison.

"more damage modifier from crit for DoTs" - Also base concept of Assassin it has nothing to do with this bow.

"You cannot stack the same dot debuffs" thats not true, you can stack poison and if thats some ALPHA info from AoW (good to know), if not this argument is plain wrong. (Ill probably prepare myself for this nerf in AoW just in case).

"can stick bleed with poison too" - thats just mechanics which are available to Assassin without this bow or can be obtained by any other ascendency/class simply by using PUNCTURE.

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Summary:

- Assassin and other classes/ascendencies can acquire everything this bow has to offer using other ways. (Nobody cares about clearing trash with fork)
- Bow has terrible DPS (even 300-350 would be low as hell, because of lack of crit)
- Bow mechanics dont help at all with stacking DoTs
- Everyone has an easy access to bleed
- You were able to list most of the mechanics connected to Assassin ascendency, which have nothing to do with Bow.
- Probably slipped possible nerf to poison from Alpha




You do not need to always use pierce since this bow will have one if you use the weapon correctly, so you have another support gem to use. In fact, using pierce gem or even allocating to pierce nodes makes your build even worse since it will interfere the previous mods. Bleed is terrible if you do not use rapid decay (now use that gem instead of pierce) at least and have no extra more damage modifier (hence why assassin) on it. EQ does that already with Atziri's Disfavour and is really powerful.


As for the tackling the arguments part, you can improve poison with rapid decay supported on your skill and it does have relation if you already allocated to that ascendancy whie if you have bleeding enemies, you have a chance to poison your enemies. Next part, you are really starting to nitpick everything, the bow can really benefit from Assassin. As for the "You cannot stack the same dot debuffs" part, I was vague, I meant to say bleed. As for the last part, of course, but still the bow can take advantage of these mechanics if you use it correctly (you may have to use chain support, if you want to 100% pierce then cause bleed).


There is also deadeye if you want the non-dot route (as in who cares about bleed and even poison to begin with).




Edit: Meh, not like it matters much to me since I will not have the opportunity to even test its potential when the farthest I ever went in mapping is tier 12-13.
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Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Aug 26, 2016, 3:55:26 PM
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mark1030 wrote:
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Saltychipmunk wrote:
so please.. stop with this silly notion that we should not voice our concerns
I don't have a problem with voicing concerns. Nobody said you shouldn't voice your concerns. I have a problem with calling unreleased items crap (or poorly made as the title says).
Why? It'll be crap. That's my prediction as well.

I don't quite agree with poorly made, though. It's deceptively powerless, which is a bit of a design achievement actually.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Aug 26, 2016, 3:46:40 PM
you call this bow 'crap'?

so what is the name of the uber 2h mace released earlier?..

bow characters are having a slight issue because their 'top drop' is not BROKEN AS F.. just like Reach was. melee guys on the other hand gotten a wooden stick that barely beats a Marohi and comes from a fight that most 2h characters wont be ever able to complete themselves

thsi bow might have some issues but entire melee system and items are just tragic
Sid, you know I'm on your side when it comes to MvR balance. Why try to start a fight?

To clarify, for bow characters, the Hydra bow will be crap, but they'll have good alternatives. For melee characters, everything will be crap, without chance of escape.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Aug 26, 2016, 4:06:57 PM
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
without chance of escape.


Mate we got the fastest movement skills in the game!
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lol post though :p


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sidtherat wrote:
you call this bow 'crap'?

so what is the name of the uber 2h mace released earlier?..



i dont think we have a word for what that thing is

is ehhhhhhh...... a word?
Last edited by Saltychipmunk#1430 on Aug 26, 2016, 5:15:22 PM
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sidtherat wrote:
you call this bow 'crap'?


what u want? the video has a stupid bow build
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