I'm...slightly baffled here.

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adghar wrote:

I really don't like being insulting, but a tl;dr of this thread is just too good to pass up.

Person 1: essence rare beats coil! Do the math!

Person 2: I did the math, coil is still better

Cold is better armor vs armor compared but if you craft 40% all res+life+armor+15% phy taken as cold and add other gear like 10%phy taken as fire + conversion talisman + taste it beat coil and get much better resist possibility.

that would be in best scenario 15%phy taken as cold+10%phy taken as fire + 20% phy taken as
cold = 35%phy to cold +10%phy to fire + no lightning malus



also
optional talisman 50% cold converted to fire + phoenix shield for weird possibilites

Then if you choose pathfinder and invest in flask nods you get your taste of haste last for 15 seconds with a 3seconde flask recharges.

In this case the new crafted armor would destroy coil but it would need a lot of investment and probably lot of exalt spent.

Coil still easy way to go but new mod have to potential to beat it if you are rich and choose the right class.

Supper powa bis rare chest

- reflects 14 damage to physical attackers
- + 28 dexterity
- + 34% lightning resistance
- 76% armour/evasion
- 15% of physical damage taken as cold damage

Poor mans lightning coil
- 1-21 lightning damage
- 114% armour/evasion
- 64 to life
- -60% lightning resistance
- 30% of physical damage taken as lightning

:(

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

Supper powa bis rare chest

- reflects 14 damage to physical attackers
- + 28 dexterity
- + 34% lightning resistance
- 76% armour/evasion
- 15% of physical damage taken as cold damage

:(

Peace,

-Boem-

- MAster crafting + scour mod on a good drop can do miracle.
not for temp league but standards crafters will make wonders of those new mods.

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Head_Less wrote:

In this case the new crafted armor would destroy coil but it would need a lot of investment and probably lot of exalt spent.

I'd say it's way too much work and too much money spent for that kind of difference, crafting that way is pretty much a crapshot, you'd have to do a lot of mod scouring and have a lot of luck to end up with exact things you want. I don't think anyone will bother in a temp league, most of the items will come from 'alch & go' thrift store and that will be pretty much the same as talisman.

And if it's standard... you can have an armor that kills anyone that as much as looks at you and nobody will care.

Coil is hands down better. Getting the resists is a piece of cake and there are a hundred ways to go about it. 30% phys conversion is unique and only coil gives it. And, speaking about standard, there are legacy coils there - 40% phys to lightning conversion. Good luck competing with these with a measly 15%.

The best way to make a mitigation tank was, still is and will continue to be coil + saffell's + flask boosts + arctic armour / purity of lightning. And hey, what a surprise, PoL also solves the -60 lightning res problem almost singlehandedly.

Besides, the phys conversion mode will be super random and only a handful of people on the server will be able to afford truly good chests. It will theoretically be good for ES builds if someone manages to roll a GG ES chest. There will be a few of these on the server and the cost will be absolutely fucking outrageous.

/thread

we shall see about coil vs rare.

BTW can this mod be crafted on low level chest?

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Head_Less wrote:

Cold is better armor vs armor compared but if you craft 40% all res+life+armor+15% phy taken as cold and add other gear like 10%phy taken as fire + conversion talisman + taste it beat coil and get much better resist possibility.

In this case the new crafted armor would destroy coil but it would need a lot of investment and probably lot of exalt spent.

Coil still easy way to go but new mod have to potential to beat it if you are rich and choose the right class.

nah, the coil is still better. All that stuff you said, you just do that with a coil instead of this armour and its better, it will always be better. The resist doesnt matter, if you have good gear you will cap your resist with a coil on, I can eleweakness cap chars using a coil with no resist auras. Suffixes are not even a consideration, its all about damage reduction and a coil basically cannot be beaten by these chests in that respect.


An es chest, for sure that could be amazing and all my efforts will go towards making a good es chest with this mod. For a life based char, doesnt matter if ur armour or evasion, coil will still be bis, I dont think theyve attempted to pitch this as better than a coil, its there as a budget option and an alternative.

People still use LC? And think it's good? Even the legacy LC is trash compared to a larger life pool in this meta (cough Kaom's Heart cough). Even Belly is pretty much on par with LC these days.

Face it folks, LC is dead.

The way armor works since 2.0 and how it deals with large hits negates LC completely. Run the numbers and see how many titanic hits you can sustain vs other armors. Even funneling 100% of physical damage into elemental won't perform nearly as well as you guys want to believe.

But you know, you can always line my coffers with chaos if you want to keep using archaic gear that is basically trash these days. I will give you a "I don't really understand this game" deals :p

No one is arguing that coil is better for physical mitigation. Especially legacy one Snorkle_uk.

But the thing is, this thing will have beaten coil for armour or evasion builds even in terms of mitigation (more specifically, something like 1400 armor and 15% mod will be more mitigation in a build that requires a lot of armor-someone said that 20k armor is already better than LC against hits up to 5-5500 dmg). Dont get me wrong, coil does provide more mitigation than x armor (scaled with passive tree) and 15% from chest alone-there is no debating this.

However, the true strength of this mod will be its ease of use. I mean think about it:that mod+ANY life roll above 60 is already GG on an ES chest (that is-stronger than cloak of flame).

Get this roll and 2 lucky prefixes on a Vaal regalia-you already have a pretty gg CI chest (say 500 ES and 15% vs 750 ES).

Getting 1 prefix (T1-T3 life) with this mod on an ES chest should be easy-something attainable by normal people, and that alone makes it very good, considering people are willing to wear Cloak of flame in endgame due to ease of colouring.