Off Topic - Heterosexual pride day? - Forum

" Bars wrote: A few pages more, everyone is still ignoring a basic premise: as far as a group of people want to make a parade, remain peaceful and aren't doing or advocating anything illegal, they are - and should be - free to do so. Hell, there are Ku Klux Klan gatherings in the US. No one is exactly overjoyed about it but they are allowed to happen as long as no one openly breaks the law. Now, what would a theoretical hetero pride parade consist of? If I heard about it, I would assume it's a gathering of some kind of assorted nutjobs. But I might be wrong, and even if I'm not, they have the right to do it. They could in the US. There are countries in the world that arrest you for demonstrations or making hate speeches though.	Posted by deathflower#0444 on Jul 1, 2016, 3:44:41 AM Quote this Post
So a little group of people want to keep a priviledge and complain a big group could get it too. Seem like some people really like to keep feeling special. Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Jul 1, 2016, 4:46:43 AM	Posted by Head_Less#6633 on Jul 1, 2016, 4:44:34 AM Quote this Post
" Bars wrote: A few pages more, everyone is still ignoring a basic premise: as far as a group of people want to make a parade, remain peaceful and aren't doing or advocating anything illegal, they are - and should be - free to do so. Hell, there are Ku Klux Klan gatherings in the US. No one is exactly overjoyed about it but they are allowed to happen as long as no one openly breaks the law. Now, what would a theoretical hetero pride parade consist of? If I heard about it, I would assume it's a gathering of some kind of assorted nutjobs. But I might be wrong, and even if I'm not, they have the right to do it. And all the explanations how there is no such thing as reverse discrimination, how 'really, really (repeat x9) stupid' it is and these people couldn't possibly have problems just swayed my opinion a little in diablofdb's favour. When I read the thread title, I snorted and was prepared to see all kinds of silliness... what I wasn't ready for was seeing it from the people arguing against it. As much as I would probably dislike the participants in such a parade, I dislike even more them being told they can't do it. Has anyone actually.. said they can't do it? Anyone? This is not That. edit: if you're not already convinced that HetPride day would be destructive, I just want you to remember that half the country thinks Gay Marriage should still be illegal. At this point in history, it would do as much "good" as a white pride parade in the 60's. We aren't there yet. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403 Last edited by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 6:24:25 AM	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 5:14:29 AM Quote this Post
Well, everyone is vociferously opposing the merest idea of it happening. Even if no one straight out said it, the assumption and the goal of the entire argument is to say why it shouldn't happen. And I don't like that. Yes, it might be just a front for hateful propaganda, yes, it will probably be so... But we should at least give it the benefit of the doubt. That's an entirely theoretical discussion about a hypothetical event and people are already waving the pitchforks. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers Last edited by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:14:17 AM	Posted by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 6:50:04 AM Quote this Post
Actually, that's not something hypothetical. It's already happened. Usually, the goal is to oppose Gay Pride, even though in some cases, like at Yellowknife, it doesn't have such intentions.	Posted by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016, 7:32:58 AM
Well, the information you provided merely confirms what I said. These events are causing a backlash and a lot of people are unhappy with them and protesting even though they aren't actually doing anything wrong. Of course, the backlash and protests against LGBT pride events is much more severe and they are in an incomparable position. There's no doubt about that. I just don't like double standards. quote from the article Woytuik defended the proposal for Heterosexual Day by stating that "recognizing the contributions of heterosexuals is just as legitimate as recognizing the contributions of gay and lesbian communities." The group seeking the Gay Pride Day designation was dismayed, asking if Black History Month would be partnered with White Heritage Month and whether days marking heart disease and strokes should be paired with days celebrating good health[15] Woytuik's request for Heterosexual Day was widely reported on. Shocked by the attention, he withdrew his request for the proclamation and apologized. He referred to his request as a simple one seeking to treat everyone the same which was blown out of proportion. The city subsequently rescinded its proclamation of Heterosexual Day. Shit like that makes me angry. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers Last edited by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:48:06 AM	Posted by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:44:33 AM Quote this Post
" Bars wrote: Well, the information you provided merely confirms what I said. These events are causing a backlash and a lot of people are unhappy with them and protesting even though they aren't actually doing anything wrong. Of course, the backlash and protests against LGBT pride events is much more severe and they are in an incomparable position. There's no doubt about that. I just don't like double standards. My entire point, the whole reason for my continued posting in this thread, is to show that *it is not a double standard.* A double standard is when two situations arise from a somewhat equal footing, and one situation is arbitrarily given preference over another. You even said so yourself: " bars wrote: Of course, the backlash and protests against LGBT pride events is much more severe and they are in an incomparable position. Incomparable! This is not That! " Bars wrote: Yes, it might be just a front for hateful propaganda, yes, it will probably be so... But we should at least give it the benefit of the doubt. I give it no benefit of the doubt, because as it's already been shown, it's not some wispy hypothetical. It isn't some magical "well let's just be happy about who we are!" lala land, bongo beating love fest of an idea. It is, at this point in our history, inexorably tangled with a segregationist mindset. Half the country thinks their marriages should be illegal, and a non-trivial percentage of the population thinks homosexuality itself should be illegal. Jesus, it is not that fucking complicated. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403 Last edited by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:53:41 AM	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:48:04 AM Quote this Post
Yes, repeating it ten more times won't bring anything new to the conversation. Bolds and italics don't help either. One group of people can gather and celebrate their identity and another theoretically could but should better not do it because they are more and generally have it better? Nope, not double standards at all. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers	Posted by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:53:53 AM Quote this Post
" Bars wrote: Yes, repeating it ten more times won't bring anything new to the conversation. Bolds and italics don't help either. One group of people can gather and celebrate their identity and another theoretically could but should better not do it because they are more and generally have it better? Nope, not double standards at all. " Half the country thinks their marriages should be illegal, and a non-trivial percentage of the population thinks homosexuality itself should be illegal. Then address THAT. I repeat myself because you're completely ignoring the context of what I'm saying. A comprehensive, easy on the eyes loot filter: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1245785 Need a chill group exiles to hang with? Join us: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1251403 Last edited by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:56:42 AM	Posted by Antnee#4468 on Jul 1, 2016, 7:56:01 AM Quote this Post
Address how? Since you like repeating it, this is not that. The LGBT community having it tough cannot and should not be used as a justification to forbid other groups from doing whatever the fuck they want as long as it doesn't break the law. Double standards. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers	Posted by Bars#2689 on Jul 1, 2016, 8:00:18 AM Quote this Post