I honestly didn't expect a performance increase when my 1080 arrived.

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G7Ghost wrote:

Does PoE even support DX12? You're not going to see much of any difference with the cards if it's not using DX12

You're crazy. A quick google and I got:

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP SP3/Vista/Windows 7/8
Processor: x86-compatible 1.4GHz or faster processor
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT or ATI Radeon X1950 Pro or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Hard Drive: 5 GB available space


The above minimum specs are woefully out of date. If GGG doesn't update their minimum hardware specs to run PoE it's no wonder they get major negative feedback from players suffering performance problems. Here's what you need:

1.) Forget any cpu under 3 GHz and it needs to be dual core or better. No one should be running anything less than an Intel Core-2 Duo or quad core AMD (although AMD floating point sucks so I recommend Intel).

2.) You need a PCIe video card with a 256 bit bus or better. I run PoE on a MSI Hawk HD6870 and I consider that the rock bottom. I just did a quick eBay search and a used MSI Hawk HD6950 (next gpu speed grade up from mine) can be had for $79.95 so anyone should be able to get a decent video card for under $100 used.

3.) 2 GB ram... impossible. Memory is dirt cheap, 8 GB of quality G.Skill DDR3 ram is sale priced in the low $30 USD so no one should ever run out of memory and crash.

4.) We all have (should have) plenty of disk space so this is not a problem.

5.) Broadband Internet. Now here's were a lot of performance problems occur with being unable to play PoE smoothly. I just had my own Internet latency problems the last 4 days that now appear to be over and my modest gaming rig has always played PoE well from CB times until Prophecy started. Then I couldn't play PoE at all, the stuttering and frame lag made for shitty performance and PoE was unplayable. I ran extended WinMTR tests to Dallas and DC (my 2 closest PoE realms) to find out that I was suffering major packet loss at the hands of NetworkLayer (aka SoftLayer) across their network and no amount of higher speed cpu or gpu can overcome a shitty Internet connection. So forget having a high powered gaming rig (it won't help) if your latency is not consistently low with very few spikes. A good quality Internet connection is paramount to being able to smoothly play PoE once you have met the correct minimum hardware requirements.

The OP is proof that a new nVidia 1080 video card can't improve QoP (quality of play) if the Internet link is faulty and I'll bet that his Internet latency is bad. Mine was terrible for 4 days straight since Prophecy started and I was coming to the conclusion that GGG had screwed up the server/client communication code since there are some major internal code changes on resource management. Once I ran WinMTR, saw the numbers, and learned I had upwards of 7% packet loss I knew that's where the problem was. Not in PoE but in my Internet link. Fortunately I run a WISP and have some control over how the data packets get sent out and received from the rest of the Internet via BGP routing protocol. I was also adding a new CenturyLink fiber to our data center so when is came online Monday evening and I tried PoE Tuesday morning the high latency was gone. My PoE client now communicates to Dallas on our faster Centurylink fiber and NetworkLayer definitely likes that better. Long story short Prophecy wasn't the cause of my playing problems, my Internet link was.

I'm not surprised I still use a old ass GTX680 and plays every game perfect cept this one. They need to go off line really I think... or allow you to turn of particles.

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Arrowneous wrote:

You're crazy. A quick google and I got:...

"I literally have no idea what I'm talking about but pretend to" the post

12 crashes and thinking about giving up? I must have crashed more than 200 times this league. Guess what i'm doing?

Btw, just crashed 4 times now(within 10 minutes, lol). I just stay here watching the game in the task manager, seems like it gets alzheimer from time to time and start duping memory instead of fucking loading it and i crash, and i freeze, and i play in a black screen 60% of the time. Then people think we don't have reason to be pissed off. gz.

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Arrowneous wrote:

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What I was saying was, if OP's card is a 980

and OP then uses a 1080

there will be only a small difference between the two if PoE doesn't support DX12

because the 1080 is a DX12+ based card

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Crusader_of_Sorrow wrote:

12 crashes and thinking about giving up? I must have crashed more than 200 times this league. Guess what i'm doing?

You're still playing and cussing at GGG every time a crash occurs.

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Crusader_of_Sorrow wrote:

Btw, just crashed 4 times now(within 10 minutes, lol). I just stay here watching the game in the task manager, seems like it gets alzheimer from time to time and start duping memory instead of fucking loading it and i crash, and i freeze, and i play in a black screen 60% of the time. Then people think we don't have reason to be pissed off. gz.

Wow, seriously bad for you. I only run on ATI video hardware and am staying with the Catalyst drivers as the newer Crimson drivers are still a major work in progress and could be a source of PoE video problems. On the otherhand you use nVidia gpu and thus Geforce drivers which could be the source of your playing problems and I have no Geforce video to compare my ATI/AMD HD6870 with. All I know is I can play at HD res. and most high settings and my lag and screen stutter is from latency problems caused by Internet packet loss. I never have the PoE client crashing out on me.

Also to consider, I don't care what GGG says about being able to run PoE on XP with only 3 GB ram. I have 8 GB running Windows 7 Pro 64-bit OS and when I run PoE my total ram used is 72% to 75%. I know because I have a Logitech G510s gaming keyboard and it has a small LCD display built-in and I show the % of total ram used and cpu % load in real time on it. 8 GB of ram to run Windows and still have plenty for running PoE with extra to spare is important. You don't ever want the Windows virtual memory management functions interrupting PoE while playing. You're inviting trouble if you don't have enough memory to run PoE and have free memory left for Windows. I'm also in no quick hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 7 Pro 64-bit runs rock solid on my Intel i5-660 even with my having tweaked the Gigabyte BIOS settings to get it to run at 3.8 Ghz. I have a massive 4 pipe dual 120 mm fan air cooler + extra front and rear case fans to ensure cool cpu temps at all times and a matched pair of G.Skill (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1600 memory runs everything rock solid. Don't ever run with different brands of memory as that can easily cause very subtle but very bad memory timing variations that can destabilize Windows real quick and crash PoE. If in doubt run MEMTEST86 a half hour to be 100% sure your ram is perfect.

I'm also a firm believer of always keeping the OS lean which means I only load my Eset anti-virus, my Spybot anti-spyware, my Logitech keyboard/mouse gaming software, and I can keep the Firefox browser running to Alt-Tab back and forth to while I run PoE full screen (1920 x 1080). I don't have any other instant messenger or other sotware running that can interrupt PoE while I'm playing.

One final thought, Since I play PoE on a MSI Hawk HD 6870 (an older ATI gpu) that only supports DirectX 11, maybe GGG needs to do more testing of Prophecy on DX12 video hardware (even though PoE only uses DX 9.0c) to see if newer hardware and newer video drivers are the cause of a lot of playing headaches. I can still remember the nightmare of Windows Vista crashes right and left because Microsoft pushed it out too soon before nVidia and ATI had fully debugged their video drivers. That mistake forever doomed Vista. I just hope GGG isn't so over-agressive on a 3 month for new content schedule that they don't take the time to adequately test and debug before releasing new content. I'd rather wait an extra month and only get 3 updates per year instead of 4 if it means a less buggy PoE.

i have a 120GB SSD I7 3,4GHZ and GTX 750ti 4gb

i run at maximum graphic details and zero problems in any situations, only a slight fps drop with massive skill effects, like 2 kinetic blast hitting 6-7 frost walls at the same time

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

i have a 120GB SSD I7 3,4GHZ and GTX 750ti 4gb

i run at maximum graphic details and zero problems in any situations, only a slight fps drop with massive skill effects, like 2 kinetic blast hitting 6-7 frost walls at the same time

That's the point I'm trying to get across to all who are crashing right and left with Prophecy. GGG made some big major internal changes and some teething problems are to be expected but full crashes out of PoE are an entirely different problem and point more to underlying OS and or hardware problems. Maybe Windows is full of spyware. You'd be surprised at how many people today still never run Malwarebytes or Spybot S&D or other utils to find and remove a ton of crap running in the background of Windows and destabilizing it. I also routinely (almost daily in my computer work) have to explain to some one the importance of running CCleaner and removing the tons of temp files that build up over time from normal use. I just ran it on a Windows 7 system a couple days ago and it removed over 4 GB of temp files. No one should ever let the temp files get to that level of quantity ever.

But because most are clueless about Windows and simple things they should be doing, for example, I take the garbage and recycle bins out to the curb each and every week to be collected, but do you run CCleaner once a week to remove the garbage (temp files) from Windows. Probably most don't. I run my 2 anti-malware utils once a month, do you? I run my Eset AV once a month, do you? Are you running a utility that monitors and displays your GPU temps so you know your GPU cooler is working properly and efficiently? Maybe you haven't looked under the hood of your gaming rig in a long time and the GPU cooler is plugged up with dust and isn't cooling properly. Is your CPU cooler also plugged full of dust? Running PoE and other games pushes the pixels and drives your CPU/GPU harder than anything else you do in Windows and your CPU or GPU temps can rise to a point that causes a problem and PoE crashes. That is not a GGG fault for Prophecy driving your cpu/gpu harder. It's your fault for not making sure that your gaming rig is running cool and normal even under high loads. Players need to stress test their gaming rigs before they QQ to GGG that Prophecy is shitty and crashes all the time.

Is it possible and quite probable that Prophecy is full of bugs? YES. I don't see that GGG shortening the development and testing time to 3 months is doing themselves or us a favor. GGG needs to go back to a 4 month development cycle to get an extra month to do a ton more testing of the next content update before pushing it out. I'd have been happy running Perandus League another 3 weeks and getting a few more pieces of endgame gear. Perandus offered me Bino's Kitchen Knife on my 3rd day of playing and I hadn't the over 5000 coin to buy it and thereafter he never offered it to me again (RNG working as expected). So all the elite's that race builds to 90s or 100 in 1 month and then post that "I'm bored". These players are just the top of the player base pyramid and I'd bet that at least 90% of players never get a build to level 90 in a temp league so an extra few weeks of a temp league to give GGG time to test and debug more is worth the wait.

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Arrowneous wrote:

You're crazy. A quick google and I got:...

"I literally have no idea what I'm talking about but pretend to" the post

he's actually right though

minus recommending a 6950 as an upgrade, at least.

you do know that Nasa's nerds are still crying in the corner after they tried Perandus??