Add chaos orbs to vendors sell list (1 regal per orb)

Adding it would just be a QoL change (and hence I favour it). 1 chaos being the lower bound of 1 regal through vendor trading just changes you going to dried lake to get some rares for the recipe.

So yeah, not a bad idea.

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goetzjam wrote:

In terms of "tediously" farm an underleveled zone to get a rare, thats just a load of shit quite frankly and anyone that wants to spread that shit can be known as a shit smearier. It takes less then 1 dried lake run to get a rare, I dont care if you have negative rarity or no quantity, I don't care if you use default attack, you can get a rare in literally a matter of seconds to do chaos instead of regal, if you so want.

Hmm. I don't recall to have ever spread poop into a thin layer covering a surface, but goetz says I have before, so clearly it must be so. Oh well, I'm not going to waste time being ashamed about it. I guess you can just call me a proud shit smearer.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

In terms of "tediously" farm an underleveled zone to get a rare, thats just a load of shit quite frankly and anyone that wants to spread that shit can be known as a shit smearier. It takes less then 1 dried lake run to get a rare, I dont care if you have negative rarity or no quantity, I don't care if you use default attack, you can get a rare in literally a matter of seconds to do chaos instead of regal, if you so want.

Hmm. I don't recall to have ever spread poop into a thin layer covering a surface, but goetz says I have before, so clearly it must be so. Oh well, I'm not going to waste time being ashamed about it. I guess you can just call me a proud shit smearer.

Well I never said you were a proud one, but I guess you said it not me.

Seriously though given the fact the solution to the "issue" is already in the players hands lets not over think this issue.

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Argwain wrote:

I am talking about a QoL improvement.

Nope... You're talking about a solution in search of a non-existing problem. You've also not understood the concept of having floating currency rates, determined by supply of demand. It is much better for the game economy if GGG does not interfere (at least for the higher level currencies).

And, as said before by others... If you want Chaos instead of Regals, just drop a single L60-74 item into the Regal recipe. Issue solved!

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Cyzax wrote:

And, as said before by others... If you want Chaos instead of Regals, just drop a single L60-74 item into the Regal recipe. Issue solved!

If there is 1 thing this thread proves its that players are lazy as fuck.

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goetzjam wrote:

That isn't logical to change the cost from chaos to regal on the things currently sitting at chaos orbs, reason being that masters were implemented to help people craft their own gear, if it is set at regal instead of chaos then players WILL have to trade, especially if they aren't doing the higher level content in order to use the masters, this is an issue because your suggestion is rather pointless in the overall scheme of solving an issue, because in the process you are creating one.


The solution is already there for OP or anyone that wishes to not use the regal recipe, if your too lazy to do it, well as the saying goes ........

I think you seems to either didnt read all what I said or didnt understand at all. I also called for regal recipe to be swap with chaos to fix this issue. That means whatever issue you mentioned are not affected at all. Let me break this down into simpler form since that is too complicated for you to understand.

Current system
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Regal Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Chaos

my suggested system
Regal Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Regal

You can see the issue you said arent affected at all.

1. This actually downgrade Regal below Chaos. IMO, Regal is NEVER suppose to be higher than Chaos. To do crafting, you can do Chance Orb --> Regal Orb --> Chaos Orb, You cannot do Chance Orb --> Chaos Orb --> Regal Orb. You can compare this with transmute orb vs Alteration orb. Transmute orb is never higher than Alteration, the same could have said why regal is not suppose to be higher than Chaos.

It feels that GGG wrongly place Regal orb at higher hierarchy on vendor recipe. Which create a player dilemma like OP. It feels weird that you farm higher 75+ for recipe only to downgrade them for chaos. Thread like these wont appear again

2. If you are new player starting fresh, it is far less likely you will spam chaos b4 lvl 74 content. Regal orb is far more useful to try your luck for a good roll blue, since player cant spam regal, it is likely he can afford it.

3. If Chaos recipe is change to ilvl75+, Chaos orb supply will be coming from the same group of player who consume the most chaos(demand) = player who play lvl 75+ content.

Tell me what issue I am creating for suggesting such change? which should have been there from day 1. (Look at transmute vs Alteration)

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Darkkrows wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

That isn't logical to change the cost from chaos to regal on the things currently sitting at chaos orbs, reason being that masters were implemented to help people craft their own gear, if it is set at regal instead of chaos then players WILL have to trade, especially if they aren't doing the higher level content in order to use the masters, this is an issue because your suggestion is rather pointless in the overall scheme of solving an issue, because in the process you are creating one.


The solution is already there for OP or anyone that wishes to not use the regal recipe, if your too lazy to do it, well as the saying goes ........

I think you seems to either didnt read all what I said or didnt understand at all. I also called for regal recipe to be swap with chaos to fix this issue. That means whatever issue you mentioned are not affected at all. Let me break this down into simpler form since that is too complicated for you to understand.

Current system
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Regal Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Chaos

my suggested system
Regal Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Regal

You can see the issue you said arent affected at all.

1. This actually downgrade Regal below Chaos. IMO, Regal is NEVER suppose to be higher than Chaos. To do crafting, you can do Chance Orb --> Regal Orb --> Chaos Orb, You cannot do Chance Orb --> Chaos Orb --> Regal Orb. You can compare this with transmute orb vs Alteration orb. Transmute orb is never higher than Alteration, the same could have said why regal is not suppose to be higher than Chaos.

It feels that GGG wrongly place Regal orb at higher hierarchy on vendor recipe. Which create a player dilemma like OP. It feels weird that you farm higher 75+ for recipe only to downgrade them for chaos. Thread like these wont appear again

2. If you are new player starting fresh, it is far less likely you will spam chaos b4 lvl 74 content. Regal orb is far more useful to try your luck for a good roll blue, since player cant spam regal, it is likely he can afford it.

3. If Chaos recipe is change to ilvl75+, Chaos orb supply will be coming from the same group of player who consume the most chaos(demand) = player who play lvl 75+ content.

Tell me what issue I am creating for suggesting such change? which should have been there from day 1. (Look at transmute vs Alteration)

Your suggestion completely and utterly destroys the little guy in hopes of getting the items they want. Regals ALWAYS have had less demand then chaos, even if you change the master cost to all be regals you still hurt the sole purpose of the balance of chaos orbs to exalts by restricting access of who can make chaos orbs. That means you no longer can grind dried lake to make chaos and save up for items you need for your build, that means anyone that doesn't play as much will ALWAYS be poorer then they are now and in perandus its not that bad because cadiro but put this system you are suggesting into a real temp league and its far worst.

Literally the worst fucking idea ever.

Regal orbs still hold lots of power for things like jewels, where you can get 2 stats you for sure want and roll on the 3rd. They still work for multi mod style weapons and accessories. They still are in demand, just not as much demand as chaos because GGG changed the map system to basically require chaos spamming instead of the old alt + trans + regal combo.

Crafting with regals is or at least was considered the higher tier crafting, which is why its place was higher then chaos. This is still somewhat the case, but less so because the removal of the eternal forces this clunky master mod style crafting that doesn't really require regals as much as the old trans+alt+regal+yolo exalt style before.

The statement still stands that the suggestion is rather pointless in the scheme of solving an issue because it actually creates a very very bad situation where players don't have a reliable way to build up currency anymore, will it make chaos orbs worth more and the ratio in SC leagues better, sure, but in HC leagues this clearly isn't an issue its like 30:1 exalt right now.

Come back with a better idea and try again or you know what don't come up with anything because the issue that players are getting regals instead of chaos can be solved by the player now :O

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goetzjam wrote:

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Darkkrows wrote:

Current system
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Regal Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Chaos

my suggested system
Regal Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Regal

Literally the worst fucking idea ever.

I mean, I'm against it too, but I generally rank the Holocaust higher up on the really-bad-idea hierarchy.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

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Darkkrows wrote:

Current system
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Regal Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Chaos

my suggested system
Regal Recipe = ilvl 60-74
Chaos Recipe = ilvl 75+
Forsaken Master crafting/Vendor = Regal

Literally the worst fucking idea ever.

I mean, I'm against it too, but I generally rank the Holocaust higher up on the really-bad-idea hierarchy.

Maybe equal.

@goetzjam

Somewhat agree, it make sense for your little guy argument. My mistake for oversight that problem that might have created by my suggestion.

But really....it still feel weird that you vendor higher ilvl item for reward that equal value the lower tier ones. Think about the little guy who work hard on his way to finally able to got a set of recipe to vendor, only to find out it is a waste of time because doing chaos yield them the same reward & much easier.

I know that market are changing everyday, regal vs chaos ratio should never be fix, but currency value in the free market should at least reflect in what the game put the regal orb at(which is higher than chaos & should never anyway too close to 1:1).