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I am so fucking annoyed... "the game should be balanced around temp" ... "noooo the game should be balanced around std" ... "no, you std. guys blabla" ... "... but longterm blabla" ...
Each of you guys thinks he is the centre GGG should built their game around xD ... it is possible to suit more than one peer group guys, that's what they do all the time, or at least they try. the state with et+mirror was kinda 'okish', far away from being good the current state is shit the current system (with only change 2 mastermods ex-div) will be garbage (too little too late) this game has serious problems... because some people think the game should be balanced around sc... some around hc... some around temp... some around perma... oh no it's perma hc... no temp sc... for god sake... the sc temp league need a different balancing than perma hc and so on. differnt leagues, different interests, different goals... but noooo instead we have a battle which league is the most important one. that's an important battle, right? >.> Have a problem with something I said? PM goetzjam don't derail a thread.
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@Anu
~8.3k hours to complete a solid (for lack of a more appropriate term) craft w/o Masters. It sounds like Masters improved your crafting capability, yet you decry Eternals as being broken? RE: Too Quick + Too Easy For whom? The crafter? That singular person at the apex of the economy? The people who mirror items? A 6t1 item does not suddenly enable godmode...nevermind that these items only enter very few players hands. Are they statistically significant? GGG obviously seem to think so, are those outliers really that important? I'm a Standard League player yet I am in 100% agreement with Goetz's stance on Temp Leagues are the Leagues GGG Market. When was the last time HC/STD got brought up in a news post or announcement? How many times have we heard ~"We can't really focus too much on X because we can't market that and it isn't exciting enough for journalists."? Almost none of the rhetoric is applicable to Temp Leagues. (feel free to point out anything I missed) Again I want to bring up some of my previous points. So what if I get a perfect or near-perfect item after X years of farming? I'm not shattering the game, I'm just going to start farming for the next fucking item/build on the list. Didn't GGG want a design life of 10 years? Is 1 mirrored item in that time-frame 2 too many? I just don't see any cause for concern, even with perfect gear in every slot the rest of the game still stands on it's own merits after that. Or is that something that GGG have zero confidence in? That line of thinking does not bode well at all. Who among us, having "completed" a build with ideal gear, would not simply bench that character (to be played on occasion) and move onto the next thing they want to try? Edit: I'd be extremely surprised if GGG didn't have the technology to filter when performing league migrations ;) IGN: Victory_Or_Sovngarde It's not a 13 week development cycle, it's a 13 week supporter-pack cycle. You can play any build you want, as long as it's the current meta. Last edited by Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253 on Feb 12, 2016, 10:46:38 AM
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Mirrors and Eternals widen the gap between the average (casual) player and the top end. Unless you are top end, you don't want that. If you are casual, you do not want to be five times weaker than the top end. If you are a game designer, you want your player base to be not too extremely far from each other because then, balancing content becomes a problem.
However, for some reason, GGG seems to balance most of this game for the top 0.1%. I wonder if they were the top 0.1% in D2. Remove Horticrafting station storage limit.
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" Because the perm leagues are already fucked, why the hell should I give 2 shits about a league that is already plagued with shit that should never of happened? While your "solution" does create a better environment for temp league players, it doesn't solve the exalted hording problem or in SC temp league the exalt dumping into masters and still not having that orb to convert up to. " But the thing is the arguments made here are that eternals can't come back to temp leagues because of things like standard. Which is a completely asinine argument, it essentially means no they can't please both crowds so instead of allowing temp leagues to have the proper system in place, they can't because standard, which is already fucked would somehow become 10% more fucked or whatever the difference is of the new mods. " Well the most important league is the league that the game was designed or suppose to be designed and balanced around. Which IS the HC temp challenge league. GGG won't release any information anymore on numbers of participation or hours of total played, I guess partly to prevent people from using them in arguments. Please tell me why anyone here, including standard players think the game should be balanced around a league flooded with legacy items, legacy mods, fully mirrored gear for every slot and almost every build? Its not "fair" or right to balance the game around stuff people in the temp leagues can't possibly get. " In standard sure, in temp leagues not really that much. Eternals weren't just used by GG mirror level crafters in temp leagues and mirrors weren't just used on 6t1 items. This is where the logic of widens the gap applys to one type of gameplay but not really the other, at least not to the same extreme. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF. Last edited by goetzjam#3084 on Feb 12, 2016, 10:31:13 AM
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" It's not fair to balance their league around temp hc either. Why is it important for you how the balance is in perma std. when temp hc is a place you really enjoy? It's not our job to find a solution how it is possible to make you and Anu happy... if GGG cares about their player base, they have to find a way to make both of you happy! And although I am a (temp) hc player, and you claim that we are 'crown of creation', ... I know we are a very small group compared to any sc league. If they only cater to us and think 'fuck std. guys - we build this game to suit temp hc' this will be the end. Have a problem with something I said? PM goetzjam don't derail a thread.
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" If you grind you can traverse that gap. It's the carrot that is dangled in front of everyone at every point in the spectrum. Or should we get >10k hours deep and realise the cake is a lie? Sounds fun right? IGN: Victory_Or_Sovngarde It's not a 13 week development cycle, it's a 13 week supporter-pack cycle. You can play any build you want, as long as it's the current meta. Last edited by Ashen_Shugar_IV#4253 on Feb 12, 2016, 10:52:27 AM
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people forget that late game is needed to have a balanced economy. economy has no supply and demand equilibrium because late game players have nothing to do. when there is no flippers/very rich players; poe economy stuck and most of the prices only fall down and late game items meanwhile getting expensiver.
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
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" This game was founded as a hardcore ARPG game, both in terms of design and emphasis. While the total SC and standard players might be more then HC, the HC players are the ones that drive traffic to the game. The temp leagues specifically are what GGG can market. You can't put any emphasis on standard on any press related thing because who would want to play there after however many years starting fresh when you can't get 1\2 the items in the forums they previously dropped in and your "leagues" literally behind the rest of the competition. People played d2 ladder because of the resets, the only natural thing to do in an ARPG is reset the ladder and the economy to drive players back to fit around the economy. Does standard have an economy, sure, but its vastly different then you will experience in the leagues and the overall satisfaction you receive is MUCH less. The whole idea that GGG can make both temp league players happy and solo self found long term standard players happy is just asinine. They don't give 2 shits about solo self found players because the game wasn't and shouldn't be designed around that playstyle. Not participating in the economy doesn't breed a healthy game the way its designed now. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
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" Relax. You don't. GGG has, though, cause a large portion of their player base is in perm SC. " Why is exalt hoarding a problem? Also, how can Exalt hoarding and Exalt dumping be a problem at the same time? Why do you need an orb to convert up to in? If you need one, just convert into Albino Rhoa Feathers if you like, last time I checked they were more than an Exalt. To be honest, what you are writing doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. " Kind of true, but you could not get the mirror-worthy stuff with Eternals in place in the temp leagues either. Has any mirror base ever been created in a temp league? I honestly don't know. The legacy items are a problem, yes. The solution is certainly not to say "fuck standard" because it is too important. The solution is to do something that makes it fun and challenging for both Standard and temp league players. The real solution is a legacy league. " Yes, but you cannot ignore Standard when balancing temp leagues, because temp leagues dump into Standard (OK, it seems like you can, but GGG hopefully doesn't). I wonder how many Eternals were actually used in temp leagues, and how many went into Standard. Besides, the solution I proposed takes care of temp leagues as well. Everyone can be happy. Remove Horticrafting station storage limit.
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I'll give up. It's impossible to discuss stuff with you goetz, it's truely impossible... either one agrees with you or just move on. You are like a broken record... I feel bad to fight for the same goal 'eternals', just because of you. oO
Have a problem with something I said? PM goetzjam don't derail a thread.
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