[2.6] TankyTwirl - PhysSpell CoC Cyclone

Thanks, with those gears i have 9.6k shields! I've got a pair of void bringer 2G1R1B(3G1R hard to get), how much of an impact is flicker strike vs flame dash, just used to dodge spears and re-engage asap?

I don´t think i used Flicker all that much, i mostly use it to move from Pack to pack quick while mapping and refresh the Fortify during boss fights really quick.

On Uber you don´t want to use it in the Split because it can Flicker on the wrong Clone randomly, when she is alone it can be handy to have to jump at her for some quick DPS.

But overall i think you don´t need anything besides WB for the fight. Got to say that Flicker helpd me a lot for trash, but i am also very used to Flicker as i use it since i started this build and used it on my CoC Discharge before so ye i guess if you are not really used to play with it it could be even dangerous in some situations.

btw: just wanted to add that it really helps me if you like the videos on youtube <3

@ZweihundertMorder



Gz on that ubber and thank you for explaining the differences between both,i have some good gear from my previous coc on perandus,now ill gonna sell some stuff and try to buy a nice chest :D


Have a good one bro!

I was thinking about restructuring the Guide as i think that Hybrid is mostly a starting point until you can go LL or CI...

Should i delete the Hybrid Tree at the start and replace it with the LL Version and only put the Hybrid Tree in the leveling Part?

Would be good to hear some oppinions from players that followed the guide!

Also open to hear other suggestions on how to improve the Guide!

want to do a quick breakdown for me of pros/cons of using Trickster vs the other options? (I am playing LL CoC BF/EK as a Scion/Ascendant with Berserker + Assassin) Do you NEED to have life leech in the 6l as Trickster? (this seems like a giant drawback, so how is it offset? The Assassin/zerker bonuses allow Ascendant to reach 100% crit chance, and 4.4% global leech with no life leech gem)


I'm working on an ultimate end game version/guide to the LL CoC phys cyclone setups, so any info on the non-Scion options would be appreciated. What is your best possible aura/blasphemy curse setup for low life? Glad to see you guys are using Herald of Ice, it is a great addition to the physical damage. (and scales Hatred) The current write up (by another poster) on the Scion version is https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1611726 , I have adapted my variation from his starting point.


my current aura setup - I have contorted the mana to work, but it requires some expensive gear to have enough mana left over to function. Trickster obviously has some mana advantages available to it, so I'm interested in a comparison. (what would you consider your MINIMUM amount of mana available after reserve as?)





this currently leaves me with 74 mana available to Cyclone and WB with. A little lower than would be comfortable, but it is ok with some practice. (don't cyclone on nothing for too long)

by using



the mana available jumps and is totally fine. (won't be able to merge my gear sets for this build until Perandus ends) The corruption also bring Herald of Ice and Discipline to level 26. Is there a setup runnable on Trickster that could beat this?




thanks for any input you have on the pros/cons between the different Ascendancy paths. Post ran long (as always), but hopefully we can have a good discussion about it all.

@JakeAlmighty

For a "ultimate no currency limit max DPS" version i think Scion is better.

You could skip the LL link for mapping if you feel like you need more clear speed but i would not skip it for uber and other hard bosses.

The thing is: when the damage is enough for this with LL why would i need more damage? But i get that this game is about min/max after all this is what i enjoy too.

In my LL Version i run HoA and a Purity, could switch the Purity for a Blasphemy ofc, as Trickster i would run a Assassins Mark or Vulnerability.

The Reason for running a Purity was that i could make using RF more comfortable together with a Leo modded shield and Ruby Flask it works really well.

I really don´t know if the Haste is worth it in your Setup, it seems like lots of investment for some move/attack speed honestly.

Another great thing about Trickster that gets overlooked a bit is that Evasion really helps alot.

With a Stibnite and the Asceandency Bonus you gain lots of Evasion if you use a Hybrid Chest / Vertex.

Then there is the 10% move speed while on full Energyshield which is active surprisingly often between Evasion and instant leech.

I guess that you won´t get much benefit from it if you want to run with Shavs + Hubris as you don´t have any Evasion to scale from.

Next thing is that you can use Voidbringers as Trickster for loads more ES than any other Crit Glove. You get Crit capped on the attack anyway and Voibringers give a lot of Crit for the Bladefall + EK, when i compared it with Maligaros and Shadows i was suprised that it was even more damage per hit even if it had no Crit multi. The ES on kil lis also a nice touch.

The Ascendancy also gives lots of ES and allows for the use of better Rings as a Scion or Assassin
still need the Elreon Rings. With no limit on currency that is not that much of a Problem i guess but you can still get better non Elreon rings just because of the item level.

As Trickster you need 0 mana open as all skills i am using are movement skills (Cyclone,WB, Flicker)
The only thing you could want open mana for is precasting Blade Vortex for Bossfights. I did not need this for uber even without Skyforth so i guess its not really needed.

The last benefit is the 20% attack speed after using a movementskill.

Overall i feel that i am trading the LL link for lots of defensiv benefits which fits the name of the build nicely ;)

Btw: My current LL Version is using the Assassin Asceandancy, allowing to drop loads of Dagger Crit nodes in the Tree while still getting to 95% Crit on Spells + Attack and gaining loads of crit multi.
I have even less mana open than you but i don´t see this as a problem at all as i am used to play like this from playing this build and CoC Discharge with very low open mana for a long time and i never run into problems even on singletargets.


I hope i coverd most of your questions about my version and trickster in general, if there are questions left feel free to ask!

Hey again, and thanks again for this great build i enjoy playing it!
My little breakdown for dual curse version :)
Gear:


Tree (Gonna rework it a little after my enlighten hits lvl 3 and i hit lvl 95):


Stats so far (power charges up, no flasks):
ES: 13369
Chance to block: 32% (Tempest shield is always up)
Curses: Assassin's Mark (40% incr effect), Vulnerability (Not sure if curse effect increses from gear, tree and blasphemy apply to it. I guess not)
Crit chance (on cursed enemies): cyclone 100%, ek 100%, bladefall 95%
Tooltip dps (lvl 20 gems): EK 18558.11, Bladefall: 14644.67 In fact its alot more for cursed enemies.
Cyclone attack speed: 3.78

Still have to work on my gear and lvl 21 gems, but im a poor man and progress slowly :/

Thats very confusing.. how do you have higher damage on EK than me with a lower level Gem but lower damage on Bladefall?

You habe a little more Spelldamage on your Gear i guess but that can´t be a whole gem level and if it would why is the bladefall lower?

I am confused, help me figur that out plz!


Was that with any buffs up like frenzy charges or something?

Whats your Spell Crit Multi?

Apart from that happy to hear its going so well for you!

Edit: ok guess i found it you have like 100% more inc. Spelldamage between shield, Dagger and Amulet so i guess that where the damage comes from.

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ZweihundertMorder wrote:

Thats very confusing.. how do you have higher damage on EK than me with a lower level Gem but lower damage on Bladefall?

You habe a little more Spelldamage on your Gear i guess but that can´t be a whole gem level and if it would why is the bladefall lower?

I am confused, help me figur that out plz!


Was that with any buffs up like frenzy charges or something?

Whats your Spell Crit Multi?

Apart from that happy to hear its going so well for you!

Edit: ok guess i found it you have like 100% more inc. Spelldamage between shield, Dagger and Amulet so i guess that where the damage comes from.

Yeah i guess its spelldamage. I had no buffs, only golem and power charges up. My multi is like 410 or so, cant check right now. Tooltip is also calculated for like 90% crit chance for ek and 82% for bf while ass mark makes it 100% and 95%, so the real numbers are kinda higher. Then increased dmg from vulnerability applies and afterall 28% extra dmg from assassins mark. Is this how it works? Im not too good with numbers actually :) Maybe anyone could calculate it? Would be interesting.

Testing Face Breakers atm. The loss of ES isn´t as bad as i thought and the 90% Crit Multi feels great so far.

Got a pair with CoC Corruption and switched links a bit for it:


Also about to buy a new Dagger... enjoying the min-max XD

EDIT:
New Dagger Hype!