Undying Alchemist and Undying Incinerator

I'm glad someone else understands. :P

To be honest I'm surprised more people don't have this issue.

The alchemist will also always 1 shot a low life build as well. My summoner isn't that high level yet, but in act 3 normal she had to use parties to progress for some areas because her minions got 1 shot but as soon as she got to cruel the issue disappeared... without gem leveling too.

I agree that these 2 mobs do deal far too much damage.

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

The alchemist will also always 1 shot a low life build as well. My summoner isn't that high level yet, but in act 3 normal she had to use parties to progress for some areas because her minions got 1 shot but as soon as she got to cruel the issue disappeared... without gem leveling too.

I agree that these 2 mobs do deal far too much damage.

Yeah, but just to be clear, this isn't a summoner-centric issue. They just deal too much damage in general to everyone, and it just so happens that the high damage gets rid of summoner's main damage output (and thus is more of a problem/complaint for us than others).

I agree with the OP on this. Their damage is just way out of scale. I play a summoner witch and even with purity aura and a aegis shield with around 40 all res they still wipe out my whole minion army with 1 or 2 shots (I have all the minion health nodes).

The chaos vipers are almost as bad since their barbs always penetrate. I have to stand behind cover and spam summons and totems at the edge of range or I get 1-3 shotted. Even when you raise them in specter form they kill enemy mobs in like 1 shot. Completely absurd.

Big part of the problem for summoners is the complete lack of minion res nodes and chaos resist are just so hard to come by, even for players, that you can't expect players to be able to deal with this kind of damage unless they have just stacked the hell out of HP and/or ES.

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Crevox wrote:

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Faerie_Storm wrote:

The alchemist will also always 1 shot a low life build as well. My summoner isn't that high level yet, but in act 3 normal she had to use parties to progress for some areas because her minions got 1 shot but as soon as she got to cruel the issue disappeared... without gem leveling too.

I agree that these 2 mobs do deal far too much damage.

Yeah, but just to be clear, this isn't a summoner-centric issue. They just deal too much damage in general to everyone, and it just so happens that the high damage gets rid of summoner's main damage output (and thus is more of a problem/complaint for us than others).

Dont make general assumptions based on your shitty character.
I can survive them just fine, anyone that plays in my group survives them just fine aswell.
Get it into your head already, your build is not suited to kill them, you dont have enough survivability.
You are able to clear other stuff with your shitty character because minions are overpowered right now.
With no points or gear invested you can already get very high life minions that can tank most trash mobs
It so happens that the alchemist counters your minions hardcore because he has huge aoe, and then your terrible own survivability becomes apparent: zero.
Thats why you cant survive them, its that simple.

Hmm, it's funny my chara has absolutely no problems with these mobs what so ever. They haven't even entered my mind as a 'broken mob' or even something that needs 'fixing'. Yeah they hurt but the chaos mobs have a timer on the chaos bomb so you easily get a chance tro move out the way of the cloud. Alsong as you stay alert (and get yourself at least some res) then you should be just fine with these mobs.

Chargers & rolling mobs on the other hand I would definitely say are 'broken'. They don't play animations, suffer horrendously from the smallest of desyncs and when they hit you they hit like a damn truck. They are off kilter with the rest of the game and quite honestly make the game feel like it's still in an alpha state. My 2 cents.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

Hmm, it's funny my chara has absolutely no problems with these mobs what so ever. They haven't even entered my mind as a 'broken mob' or even something that needs 'fixing'. Yeah they hurt but the chaos mobs have a timer on the chaos bomb so you easily get a chance tro move out the way of the cloud. Alsong as you stay alert (and get yourself at least some res) then you should be just fine with these mobs.

Chargers & rolling mobs on the other hand I would definitely say are 'broken'. They don't play animations, suffer horrendously from the smallest of desyncs and when they hit you they hit like a damn truck. They are off kilter with the rest of the game and quite honestly make the game feel like it's still in an alpha state. My 2 cents.

Completely agree on the rolling mobs and chargers.
They are way too prone to desynch. Sometimes you take damage without the charge/roll animation being shown yet, and after you have taken the damage they use the animation, giving you no chance to evade anything, this becomes a huge pain against hasted chargers/rollers.
Only option to survive it: make your character even tankier.
Well, making your character tankier is never a bad idea, but i dont think it is intended that chargers and rollers are undodgeable.

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gh0un wrote:

Dont make general assumptions based on your shitty character.
I can survive them just fine, anyone that plays in my group survives them just fine aswell.
Get it into your head already, your build is not suited to kill them, you dont have enough survivability.
You are able to clear other stuff with your shitty character because minions are overpowered right now.
With no points or gear invested you can already get very high life minions that can tank most trash mobs
It so happens that the alchemist counters your minions hardcore because he has huge aoe, and then your terrible own survivability becomes apparent: zero.
Thats why you cant survive them, its that simple.

Not gonna bother even replying to you anymore. I hope you leave the forum and never return.

bump

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Not gonna bother even replying to you anymore. I hope you leave the forum and never return.

Im not the only one that is telling you that your survivability is poor.
There is a point where you have to realize that you are wrong on this matter and the others might be right.
This is such a case. Just realize it, and deal with the problem, i even told you how to do it.
Crying "no no no, i am right" is not going to lead you anywhere in this case.