GGG forces us to play chicken mode

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MrTremere wrote:

1) Please keep your cool. I agree that the game can sometimes (often?) be very frustrating, but you should just take a little bit of time to relax and come back when you feel better.
2) This boss (and its non-boss equivalents) do deal a lot (more than it should) of damage from offscreen. However, an instant nuke for over 10K ES seems really weird, especially in a white map. This should warrant further investigation.
3) I think that the devs don't want us to ever feel 100% secure. I only partially agree with that state of mind : the damage is too spiky, making it very hard to take it easy in areas that are slightly under your level, but you shouldn't be able to go facetank Core Malachai either, unless your build is made incapable of killing it in less than an hour.

I am cool, i'm not nervous, only SAD. Yes SAD, because i was convinced by my GF to return to PoE because she telled me "The new jewel system is cool, c mon try it". And i really found it worthy and i was putting A LOT of effort in planning carefully some good build (good for a poor man that doesn't have the mega richness as guys like Rayammn or the likes of him), spending days on the tree planner and DREAMING of finally building a strong incinerate (my preferred skill) build with sire of shards, or buying one day a one socket low rolled "economical" shavs and create a mega regen low life build, or a strong discharge one (only by farming voll, because a devotion costs a madness). But no, NOTHING works, mate

ATTACK doesn't work: mobs have i don't know if mega uber super elemental defences or mega uber super life pool, and they die too slow even with a 6k incinerate (24k dps). The only way would be PHYSICAL, but the good weapons are too much costy for a normal guy (and for some one that doesn't buy exalt for 1,5 real dollars in RMT, like spammed in trade chat the other day)

DEFENSE doesn't work: believe me, it was a white map of lvl 71, and i ripped in one single array with 13 lvl above (84), 86% res (flask + 1 point max from tree) and 11,1k ES and nearly 1200 regen sec. My srs were 12 at a time when i noticed this thing that i am about to say, and they were ALL slayed by a strangely prolonged "barrage" of those projectiles

I would like this game way more, if the WORK would bring me TO A RESULT. But it doesn't function this way

Some bosses in low tier maps should be in higher maps... I mean... the whole f***ing tier-change and damage nerfs were for "newer" players but they left bosses in low tier maps that are... "rippy" to say the least, even for experienced players :X - just rename shit and say it's now better for players does nothing xD

But OP... the only things that kills players in PoE are off-screens and unexpected burst damage. The "challenge" in PoE is planing for the unknown - everything else is a snooze-fest, I don't think this will ever change, it's like GGG's signature game-mod :>

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kcstar wrote:

Some bosses in low tier maps should be in higher maps... I mean... the whole f***ing tier-change and damage nerfs were for "newer" players but they left bosses in low tier maps that are... "rippy" to say the least, even for experienced players :X - just rename shit and say it's now better for players does nothing xD

But OP... the only things that kills players in PoE are off-screens and unexpected burst damage. The "challenge" in PoE is planing for the unknown - everything else is a snooze-fest, I don't think this will ever change, it's like GGG's signature game-mod :>

Thanks for not having make a mockery of me like i was expecting opening this discussion.
The problem remains: for having a chance, you must have TOP gear (both defensive oriented and weapons)

My build has a 640 es chest for example. I would like a 900 one, but it cost like 80 exalted and i have 80... chaos!!!! A chest like this would have saved me? Maybe yes, maybe not. But in case of "maybe yes" it would have been a shame to use top end gear for surviving a boss 13 levels below.

And for the good weapons.... same problem!!! I have made a calculation: in a full day of play, i have managed to stack up alts for a corresponding of 15 chaos. An exalt is 50 chaos, right? So 3 days of full play for an exalt. What is the price of a top physical weapon (physical is the way to go, monsters have all res!!!!)???? 200 exalted. 3x200=600. ALMOST TWO YEARS FOR A WEAPON????? MADNESS!!!!! This game must be rethinked starting from its roots, because it's UNFAIR that a bunch of RMTs must succeed, and billions of poor people must struggle with semi viable build that rips every 2 seconds

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Wispo wrote:

Playing skills? Try YOU to talk of SKILLS when you DON'T SEE the boss and, all of a sudded, from whatever direction, AND FROM OFFSCREEN comes a sort of -------------------- well aligned projectiles that rips you even if you have a 86% res

I have played the map three times I think. Even from playing it three times, I now can recognize the boss room before entering it. I just play very, very careful around there. Or skip the boss. The rest of the map is not a problem (BTW, does your high-ES no-other-mitigation build have mitigation against freeze and stun? Very important...).

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose to work hard selling BILLIONS of (CRAPPY AS USUAL) rares and getting back alts shards, for slowly gaining a few chaos orbs, when the REAL weapons (i want a loath bane goddamn!!!! my 200pdps dagger SUCKED back in my previous reave build!!!! and the 400dps ones costs TWO eyes of the face) cost HUNDREDS of EXALTS????

Decent weapons can be bought cheap. You don't need to have 200+ exalt weapons, I don't either. Marohi Erqui is a few chaos and endgame viable if you want to make it endgame viable. Bino's can be found for less than 2 exalt. Oro's Sacrifice is a few chaos as well.

Also, what do you think players in temporary leagues do? They get to lvl 80 within two days easily. No mirrored items there.

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose one can dream of slowly create a bunch of exalts (i never being able to stack up more than 4 before i needed them for buying things) when the REAL build enabling uniques costs 50 or more exalted (The Harvest Scythe!!!!!)

The Harvest is a damn nice item. But it is not needed to succeed in this game. Shav's and Mjolner are actually very cheap now. Just farm Sacrifice pieces for a day if you want, and you have enough to buy a Shav's. Farm another day and you have a Mjolner.

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose to dream the extreme low life es regen (i don't tell how, otherwise THEY will NERF...AS USUAL!!! -.-), if a shitty spider stop to massacre you only because there are 17 raging spirits dying at your place? -.-

SRS should be able to deal with the boss really easily. Maybe something is wrong with your build, or with your playing style.

sorry but if you die with 11k es against that boss, or your build sucks, or you need to learn to play. really.

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Char1983 wrote:

SRS should be able to deal with the boss really easily. Maybe something is wrong with your build, or with your playing style.

Not necessarily. That boss summons a shit ton of high HP adds and the spirits can't be targeted. So it might take a while until they chew their way past the adds - if they can manage it at all.

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Boem wrote:

PoE is a hardcore ARPG.

Dunno Boem, lack of documentation, arbitrary damage spikes in low level maps and some very questionable balance doesn't make it hardcore imo. I think Kerbal Space Program is more hardcore, really. That's not an ARPG but you know what I mean. ;P

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DarkWap wrote:

sorry but if you die with 11k es against that boss, or your build sucks, or you need to learn to play. really.

Talking it's too easy. Go YOU to that boss and get in your witch nose all of the 1592010885 projectiles it fires at you in an instant, and after this we'll see if you too must "learn to play"

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Char1983 wrote:

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Wispo wrote:

Playing skills? Try YOU to talk of SKILLS when you DON'T SEE the boss and, all of a sudded, from whatever direction, AND FROM OFFSCREEN comes a sort of -------------------- well aligned projectiles that rips you even if you have a 86% res

I have played the map three times I think. Even from playing it three times, I now can recognize the boss room before entering it. I just play very, very careful around there. Or skip the boss. The rest of the map is not a problem (BTW, does your high-ES no-other-mitigation build have mitigation against freeze and stun? Very important...).

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose to work hard selling BILLIONS of (CRAPPY AS USUAL) rares and getting back alts shards, for slowly gaining a few chaos orbs, when the REAL weapons (i want a loath bane goddamn!!!! my 200pdps dagger SUCKED back in my previous reave build!!!! and the 400dps ones costs TWO eyes of the face) cost HUNDREDS of EXALTS????

Decent weapons can be bought cheap. You don't need to have 200+ exalt weapons, I don't either. Marohi Erqui is a few chaos and endgame viable if you want to make it endgame viable. Bino's can be found for less than 2 exalt. Oro's Sacrifice is a few chaos as well.

Also, what do you think players in temporary leagues do? They get to lvl 80 within two days easily. No mirrored items there.

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose one can dream of slowly create a bunch of exalts (i never being able to stack up more than 4 before i needed them for buying things) when the REAL build enabling uniques costs 50 or more exalted (The Harvest Scythe!!!!!)

The Harvest is a damn nice item. But it is not needed to succeed in this game. Shav's and Mjolner are actually very cheap now. Just farm Sacrifice pieces for a day if you want, and you have enough to buy a Shav's. Farm another day and you have a Mjolner.

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Wispo wrote:

For what purpose to dream the extreme low life es regen (i don't tell how, otherwise THEY will NERF...AS USUAL!!! -.-), if a shitty spider stop to massacre you only because there are 17 raging spirits dying at your place? -.-

SRS should be able to deal with the boss really easily. Maybe something is wrong with your build, or with your playing style.

I have stun immunity via amulet, and an ample flask (3 uses, 6 seconds) of heat. The problem was seeing es go down faster than my reaction time, and this even because the boss was not visible (offscreen) and forever moving from one point to another. Example: first death, spray coming from the top right corner. Second death, from the top left corner. HE IS ON TOP, you think, right? You return to the map, you watch NORTH, and the third spray of death from WHERE comes? SOUTH EAST O.O I simply HATE offscreen shooters -.-

As for the weapons, 400 pdps is just nice but doesn't give the speed to "kill before it kills you". Oro sacrifice? I LOVE that sword, i have bought one for 2 chaos and i still have it!!!! I really LOVE it. What do i hate? The elemental resistances of mobs, impervious even with fire penetration -.-

AS much an item can be cheap, this game requires too much time investment, and gives too little results. And i don't want, and cannot, be a trader or a rmt. I still ask myself HOW some people (traders) have TENS of mirrors in stash O.O

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Col_Jessep wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

SRS should be able to deal with the boss really easily. Maybe something is wrong with your build, or with your playing style.

Not necessarily. That boss summons a shit ton of high HP adds and the spirits can't be targeted. So it might take a while until they chew their way past the adds - if they can manage it at all.

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Boem wrote:

PoE is a hardcore ARPG.

Dunno Boem, lack of documentation, arbitrary damage spikes in low level maps and some very questionable balance doesn't make it hardcore imo. I think Kerbal Space Program is more hardcore, really. That's not an ARPG but you know what I mean. ;P

It is for this reason that i havethinked of building an un-fun (for me) army of instable skeletons :/

Hi

One day GGG will hopefully fix these over tuned bosses, feels like most of the time players play any tier map and face a boss who is 5 tiers above the present map tier. It is not even like it is worth while to kill these map bosses since the drops are so heavily negated by RNG, you might die multiple times only to have a a couple rares and a bunch of blues drop:(

LETS BRING BACK THE BIG TREASURE BOXES, they were such a highlight of killing bosses, I still think about the days when Brutus had a phatty treasure chest to open after killing'im. There just needs to be better incentive to kill map bosses. I have met to many players now who simply kill all the monsters in map except for the boss.

cheers