My Problem with the community as a Theorycrafter/Guide maker

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Slayertip1 wrote:

Ive only made 2 2.0 build guides, i can post them below :)

The Bloodlusting Marauder
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1366333

Dont mind the video, its very amateurish of me :P

Scion Ice Crash MF w/ Sword crit and Cameria's Maul
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1415549

Video will be added on the weekend.

Sry to say that, but... these builds are not really great, so I kinda understand why they get no attention or negative replies.
I also fail to see your "theorycrafting" and the unique ideas that would make them interesting.

Nr.1 is a fairly generic cycloner, but very squishy and no dps (considering Disfavour and the amount of damage nodes in the tree), the only "unique" thing is trying to get some synergy for bloodlust, but it doesn't look justified, as it would be easier to just use a real damage gem instead of bloodlust, like faster attacks.
(I added a longer reply in the guide)

Nr.2 contains false information (advertizing cameria's stats though they add nothing), and you're not even using your cameria once you want some DpS (for good reason).
The skilltree again not optimized.
Why use "15+15+45% crit chance, 8% multi" at Scion, and not "20+20+30% chance, 30% multi" at Shadow, or why not both?
Why waste 3 skillpoints on 6% damage at Scion, and not take the 3*18% resists and the jewel socket? The jewel alone is better than those 3 nodes...
Etc.

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Bars wrote:

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skuadak wrote:

As OP passed out I will borrow thread for a min-

question to guys who did multiple builds: do you have any requirements for given level to consiver build works or not? Dunno, Atziri normal at 90 tops, with 1 6L or such? I'm not buildmaker myself, I just have diy ranger and marauder, but I don't really know how to compare them to general "sufficient build idea". (my guild desolated with 2.0. unforunately and I don't have social-build mirror tbh

There are no rules. First, you define the build's purpose, which may be anything. It might be "I want to make the most ridiculously unkillable character ever and resources are not an issue". Or "I want to be able to kill Uber Atziri at level 70 with minimum gear". Or "I like kinetic blast cast on crit's visuals, let's make something which covers the screen in fire and ice". Or "I want to level in a new league quickly and clear maps with minimum gear quickly and safely". Or "I wanna do something with Magma Orb". Or "let's make a lightning warp totem build for the lulz".

Or you might be Ghudda, whose main criterion is "let's be fucking insane in a hilariously unique manner".

Then, you ask yourself "does that build fulfil its purpose?"

It may work, or it may not. The same exact build may work for one hundred purposes and be useless for a hundred more.

I see, thanks for reply.
These 2 were leveled above 70 before 2nd world war, so I can skip to the summary I belive:

So it will be

1.atziri 90 tops for both with max 1 6l and less hp than any other ranger/marauder.
and shitload of crits ofc :)

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skuadak wrote:

I see, thanks for reply.
These 2 were leveled above 70 before 2nd world war, so I can skip to the summary I belive:

So it will be

1.atziri 90 tops for both with max 1 6l and less hp than any other ranger/marauder.
and shitload of crits ofc :)

I'm not much of an Atziri guy, she bores me to death, but that sounds like dual crit flame totem with Infernal Mantle or triple crit flame totem with Soul Mantle, and you gotta learn the fight mechanics / not mind an occasional death here and there when something reaches you. There might be other options, I don't know.

edit: that was for marauder, maybe shockwave/ranged attack crit totem for ranger

p.p.s. if you have the cash, you can roll a ranger with Kaom's Heart, a minimum amount of life from tree, acro/phase acro and a fuckton of damage plus a solid weapon. But have it in mind that you need a solid increased critical / attack speed base from tree, crit only is weak sauce.

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Bars wrote:

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skuadak wrote:

I see, thanks for reply.
These 2 were leveled above 70 before 2nd world war, so I can skip to the summary I belive:

So it will be

1.atziri 90 tops for both with max 1 6l and less hp than any other ranger/marauder.
and shitload of crits ofc :)

I'm not much of an Atziri guy, she bores me to death, but that sounds like dual crit flame totem with Infernal Mantle or triple crit flame totem with Soul Mantle, and you gotta learn the fight mechanics / not mind an occasional death here and there when something reaches you. There might be other options, I don't know.

No. no, these 2 chars are pretty much ready (with ranger even being after atziri (in 1.3 tho). Marauder got staff for weapon, as I couldn't see any other possible 2h for crit (without stressin it and 7 power charges etc).
I just wonder atm what takes to make 4,4k hp marauder kill Atziri. I could pretty easy tank Kole from colonnade but for example torture chamber guy wrecked me. Then goes another thing - i wanna them be versatile, without different set of gems/flasks for each boss etc and so on and so on..


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true, I lost it a little, sorry, let's don't let me derail this thread any futher :D

You're starting to introduce new and new variables, we'll derail the thread and the topic is a bit long and complicated, while I, on the other hand, have little patience for these discussions :)

Just a little something - if you want to go all-out crit caster, double dagger is the way to go, wands can be good too (depends on what's available to you), or wand/dagger + spellcaster shield with good damage mods as a more balanced version.

im not that loud around the forums because im a loner ^_^
but take it from someone who will probably or already has used your guides to some extent.

I've been playing since closed Beta after D3 let me down (please don't start a discussion!)
I feel like POE is my baby ever since, I usually pick a class build from forums and apply my own play style / gem setup

Im getting in the mid '90s on temp HC leagues every time using a guide and use 80% of it and put 20% "me" flavor on top of that ^_^

Never been bored, always learning new shit, but i would have a harder time doing so without the helping hand of you number crunching build fanatics out there, so THANK YOU!

^_^

p.s. Have a good nights sleep!

Unlike GGG I would recommend you stay off reddit. It's a cesspool of misinformation. To the point I think a lot of the posters deliberately derail and misinform just to screw with people and take advantage. Take the +3 crafting derailing that was done over a year for example.

Stay official my friend. Or if this is too moderated for you, and you want the ability to defend your posts ( because you can't here, it's against policy ) head on over to wraeclast.net It's a great site created by Moon and has one rule....

Don't be a dick.

I'm testing build nearly every weeks since two years up to 85/90 ( sometimes more ) and will be glad to test yours as soon you post some new one wich need some in depth feedbacks.

As soon you are creating something you will be always in direct showdown with users this is not common to internet.

In fact this is even a good thing it show there is an interest around what you are doing while it can also provide some interesting and structured feedbacks around it.

Just think this way: If they can't stay polite / can't provide explanations / can't do anything else than taunting / just point things without any additional toughts:


THEY DON'T WORTH YOUR TIME.

I'm a bad person... with much free time... till Sao Paulo Server arrives

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Charan wrote:

The few guides I've posted have either been shot down for being adequate, not optimal (but guys, they looked AMAZING) or got destroyed by metagame shifts (RIP grenadier, but I believe that's still doable). So instead of aiming to be the maker of templates, I'm just another Johnny doing shit my own way and occasionally sharing it with people who appreciate the effort. Under no circumstances should you or anyone else attempt this at home...

Now and then I forget my place and think, whoa nelly, I've found A Good Build here, but the reality sets in before long that all I've done is found another original avenue to impressive-looking adequacy. :)

And I completely, 100% back your statement about the quiet achievers in your guild. If I recall correctly, the first 8/8 is usually a certain ACE member. That's why I didn't stick around, really. Way too quiet, way too achieving. Two things I sure as hell ain't. ;)

Like I said, I have no idea why they talk to me, I'm way too casual for them. And your name's come up a couple of times and I think we miss you too. In a sort of roundabout that-guy-was-colourful way.

And hey, your place is finding really impressive-looking adequacy. Impressive-looking is good. I like impressive-looking. Come back over for a visit sometime? I'll appreciate any efforts you share with us, I promise.

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do you have any requirements for given level to consiver build works or not? Dunno, Atziri normal at 90 tops, with 1 6L or such?

My personal standard is, can it keep up with my guild in maps? Not every successful build is Atziri capable, just by virtue of how the build works (animate weapons comes to mind), but every successful build is map capable by definition.