WE - NEED --> Auction House

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andreicde wrote:


We do have sinks in here though, aka vaal orbs that usually brick your gear (or rather most of the time)


True. It's also true of all the currency people typically use to craft with due to the random outcomes. Every time currency is used on an item with a less than desirable outcome there is an effective currency and item sink, which is definitely a good thing.
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Blackjak wrote:

Suddenly, everyone got a masterdegree in economy


What is your point of this? Is it directed negatively towards me or this post in general?
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
I'd personally like a system which uses "afk" to someone's benefit. Items in tabs linked to trade would have a price OR a "place offer, will say yay/nay"-function linked to them, and they would ONLY appear when people were in home base, AFK or not. That way, it would benefit people to be a) online b) afk c) commiting to trade. The current trade-chat would still remain part of the game of course, and this would utilize non-mapping/playing for people as well. Instead of logging off/wasting time AFK for nothing, it would make trade possible. No one would get the short end of the stick with this, and an external service (which in my eyes indicates that something _really_ is lacking) would be rendered useless.

I'm sure someone will point out that this system means that you can't have items you want to trade on display WHILE mapping. Which i think is still an ok price to pay for the advantages. And you don't spam tradechat while mapping anyway. The only way someone gets rekt by this is if they rely heavily on poetrade. Which is something that needed fixing from the start.
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Last edited by Cergic#6625 on Aug 11, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
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Blackjak wrote:

Suddenly, everyone got a masterdegree in economy

Your one liners are doing wonders for your credibility.

Like I say to all sensationalist trolls like you: dont' stop. Please continue. I want the devs to know just how good the arguments for the auction house is, as presented by such eloquently worded responses by people such as yourself.

You ran out of real reasons so you resort to hyperbole and sarcasm and others just downright lies and deception.

I agree with goetzjam's basic premise in that almost all the arguments for implementing an official auction house is that people want an easier to use and more convenient alternative to poe.trade. One person mentioned eliminating scamming but it's actually really hard to be scammed. The rest of the arguments are all about ease of use and personal convenience.

I've also had moments of selfishness in which I wish for more convenience. I see the exact item I need that is perfect for my build, but the person is offline. I see a price for an item, offer it but the person suddenly wants more. I don't care abut the other minor things such as talking to people (OMG, I gotta TALK to people in an ONLINE GAME??!?!? the HORROR) But the lazy feeling passes quickly because I know an auction house is much too risky to implement in this game if you care about its longevity at all.

Many of those kids who are lazy are the ones shouting for the AH and many of those same kids are the Steam game types of kids who play a game until the next shiny sale or game comes out and moves on. They don't give an actual damn about the game, only about their own personal experience.

Good for you and I honestly hope you enjoy the next game. But I care about the long term for this game and most of the past evidence of other games and similar situations show that having a full blown official auction house with everything automated will hurt this game greatly.

So please, devs. No, we do not NEED an auction house.
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." — Mark Twain
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Cergic wrote:
I'd personally like a system which uses "afk" to someone's benefit. Items in tabs linked to trade would have a price OR a "place offer, will say yay/nay"-function linked to them, and they would ONLY appear when people were in home base, AFK or not. That way, it would benefit people to be a) online b) afk c) commiting to trade. The current trade-chat would still remain part of the game of course, and this would utilize non-mapping/playing for people as well. Instead of logging off/wasting time AFK for nothing, it would make trade possible. No one would get the short end of the stick with this, and an external service (which in my eyes indicates that something _really_ is lacking) would be rendered useless.

I'm sure someone will point out that this system means that you can't have items you want to trade on display WHILE mapping. Which i think is still an ok price to pay for the advantages. And you don't spam tradechat while mapping anyway. The only way someone gets rekt by this is if they rely heavily on poetrade. Which is something that needed fixing from the start.



The whole idea that you support a system which encourage people to go AFK is really dumb. Why on earth would anyone purposely afk if they were there instead of mapping, a system like poe.trade is what really should exists inside the game, as mentioned multiple times.

What exactly needs "fixing" about poe.trade, especially if it was integrated either into the website here or into the client? Hell what is wrong with it now, it requires no login to use and therefore no risk either.


AFK system is among the worst ideas mentioned on here and there have been some stupid ideas mentioned.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
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Your one liners are doing wonders for your credibility.

Like I say to all sensationalist trolls like you: dont' stop. Please continue. I want the devs to know just how good the arguments for the auction house is, as presented by such eloquently worded responses by people such as yourself.

You ran out of real reasons so you resort to hyperbole and sarcasm and others just downright lies and deception.

I agree with goetzjam's basic premise in that almost all the arguments for implementing an official auction house is that people want an easier to use and more convenient alternative to poe.trade. One person mentioned eliminating scamming but it's actually really hard to be scammed. The rest of the arguments are all about ease of use and personal convenience.

I've also had moments of selfishness in which I wish for more convenience. I see the exact item I need that is perfect for my build, but the person is offline. I see a price for an item, offer it but the person suddenly wants more. I don't care abut the other minor things such as talking to people (OMG, I gotta TALK to people in an ONLINE GAME??!?!? the HORROR) But the lazy feeling passes quickly because I know an auction house is much too risky to implement in this game if you care about its longevity at all.

Many of those kids who are lazy are the ones shouting for the AH and many of those same kids are the Steam game types of kids who play a game until the next shiny sale or game comes out and moves on. They don't give an actual damn about the game, only about their own personal experience.

Good for you and I honestly hope you enjoy the next game. But I care about the long term for this game and most of the past evidence of other games and similar situations show that having a full blown official auction house with everything automated will hurt this game greatly.

So please, devs. No, we do not NEED an auction house.


And you think your "D3 is bad so AH is also bad"-argument is better?
Last edited by Blackjak#5001 on Aug 11, 2015, 12:44:53 PM
Can't we just have TradeFilter for trade chat , just untill GGG gives us a better trade system ?

Not that I'm being impatient or anything but last time we heard about trading system improvements was like 10 or 20 years ago .

R.I.P 4.B.
If an AH was implemented, as so many seem opposed to, you wouldn't have to use it right? All the people here saying to go use poe trade could still go use poe trade right? Or would most players stop using it because there is now an AH. Give players the choice and see what happens.

An AH with visible average pricing would address some of the needs of the players but for certain, new problems would arise. No system is perfect. However, I would like to be able to buy and sell items WHILE I play, not camp the trade channels or go to a questionably safe 3rd party site when I could be playing.
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DTD_Hiro wrote:
If an AH was implemented, as so many seem opposed to, you wouldn't have to use it right? All the people here saying to go use poe trade could still go use poe trade right? Or would most players stop using it because there is now an AH. Give players the choice and see what happens.

An AH with visible average pricing would address some of the needs of the players but for certain, new problems would arise. No system is perfect. However, I would like to be able to buy and sell items WHILE I play, not camp the trade channels or go to a questionably safe 3rd party site when I could be playing.



Yes you would have to use it, as people are lazy and the only acceptable method to complete most transactions would be the quickest method, as stated many times before has issues, issues that cannot be fixed by any implementation that GGG were to do.

Giving players a choice and seeing what happens isn't the way GGG runs the game. Either they fully commit to something or they don't.


An AH with visible average pricing is just boring. It offers nothing but "secured" feeling for completing a mid level transaction and will further remove the ability to "get good deals" or the opposite side of that.

You can play the game and not camp trade chat, as matter of fact 99.99% of all my trades were items that were never posted on trade chat, use procurement or acquisition and then come back and give feedback on why those are not acceptable, especially if GGG were to implement a version into the game.

Why on earth does no one actually post feedback here anymore? If you have a problem with the system describe your experiences, its much easier for GGG to review that and make judgement rather then "i want ah or just try" why try, what exactly is your issue, the current system works for so many, why is it "failing" so hard for you?

As for 3rd party site, all poe.trade does is search the forums, it requires 0 login and 0 risk, especially if you know how to browse the web. The fact that anyone would mention this site is "unsafe" just proves how clueless you are about what it does.

As for procurement\acquisition, both can use session id's which puts your account in 0 risk, in addition you should have additional account security setup so you cant login from another location without the email code.


Part of playing is trading, whether you like it or not, if you don't enjoy that aspect I suggest you do the most easy\work free method, which is to use acquisition.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
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goetzjam wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:
We don't NEED an AH, lazy players are asking for one. Fucking stop. The vast majority of these threads\comments all end in the same way, which is a dozen or so people that have no idea about the trade system\economy\downsides\ect.

People use stupid and silly excuses like:

3rd party (name a single game that doesn't use 3rd party apps, specifically ones that are smaller like GGG is)



poe.trade doesn't suck @domah, it seems you are fairly oblivious on how to use it to your benefit.

Yes its annoying to whisper people who arent online or afk, but that isn't a reason for an AH.


People seem to think this is a problem\solution and the only solution is an AH, no its one of the solutions, but its the wrong solution.


If poe.trade was not 3rd party, but rather GGG supported, it could have features like actually checking if a player is online and active and not just afk in hideout. Hum, that seems like it might solve the issue right, but nope the only answer is an AH \s


What aggravates me most about threads like this is a bunch of clueless people chiming in with nothing compelling to say, we've heard these "cheesy" 3rd part and afk arguments before, come in with something original and genuine experience, stop wasting the devs times.


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You going to support that claim with any proof? I don't and never have RMT in this game, I've spend over $1,000 on supporter packs and would A) never risk my account and B) never cheapen my experience by just taking the easy way out.

Of course the easy counter is just to point the finger and do so without a claim in order to discredit my postion.


You are going to support your claim that ah is wanted by lazy players without any proof? Just because people want convenience it does not make them lazy. When people are offline they can't sell , not to mention not everyone uses poe trade. You claim lazy people are the ones asking for ah, [Removed by Support] Take it as you like
Last edited by Rachel#0000 on Aug 11, 2015, 1:23:27 PM

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