WTB Better trading system.........

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ZINIAO wrote:

I see your point but I think in practice this isn't exactly true. Even playing on Warbands which is still pretty much brand new, you can't reasonably hope to find a "good" item relative to what you can buy. If you do happen to find said good item, odds are that it doesn't suit your build and your best bet would be to sell it and use the currency to buy other items that you actually need.

For example, my character in Warbands struggled hard trying to find decent gears, and especially decent jewelry. Running with low resists and overall trash gear wasn't much fun so I turned to poe.trade. Bought some big upgrades that I couldn't have reasonably hoped to find on my own for a little bit of currency that I could and did find on my own.

Obviously on standard league the bar is a bit higher, but it doesn't take years to make it to the point where "statistically you'll never find one". Weeks will pretty much get you there. Maybe even a matter of days after a new league starts, it becomes very unlikely that you will find useful gear relative to what you can buy for the currency you've collected in that same time period.

Unid'd chaos and regal recipes as there because you know it's 99% trash anyway and you're better off collecting twice as many orbs so you can sooner afford to buy the gear you want.

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Unid'd chaos and regal recipes as there because you know it's 99% trash anyway and you're better off collecting twice as many orbs so you can sooner afford to buy the gear you want.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Zhatan wrote:

Ill sign up for this.

That we have to use a fanbased AH instead is a disgrace. Esp since GGG promised us a better system over a year ago.

"promised"

You do realize poe.trade along with either of the trading tools is much more then GGG ever intended us to have access to, from a trading perspective?

It should be TRADING not just click and collect money. OP seems like hes misinformed and thinks the only way you can get trades is by spamming trade chat...


"fan based" You do realize that the less time GGG focuses on doing stuff others do for free, the more time they can spend actually doing improvements in the game that 3rd party sites\apps cant do?

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Galtrovan wrote:

GGG should build what poe.trade and the two trade tools do into the game already.

First of all, even though having to create a shop thread in the appropriate trading forum has been reduced to create-and-forget, it's stupid to have to leave the game, hit the web, and create a thread in a forum. Also, it's stupid to have to leave the game, hit the web, and search for items that have been put up for trade.

Second, anyone that trades that is not using the one of the trade tools is at a distinct disadvantage. With the current trade tools being as sophisticated as they are, listing items for trade is as easy as: assigning desired tab-based prices, dropping salable items into the appropriate tabs, and responding to any offers. As a seller, once everything is configured, your only interrupted game-time is the time you take to drop salable items into the appropriate tabs, responding to offers, and making the trade.

People on the side of the fence saying this auction house style trading will ruin POE, I have news for you. It already exists, and as such, should be completely built into the game so everyone can use it and ease the annoyances of having to setup and configure 3rd party tools to sell and having to leave the game to search for buys.

For the record, I have never gotten into trading. The hoops to do so were too annoying. But with the way things are now, I may jump into the arena. My main peeve had always been no good way to sell. Now though, with a bit of setup, selling is simple-stupid once you have it configured.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Galtrovan wrote:

GGG should build what poe.trade and the two trade tools do into the game already.

First of all, even though having to create a shop thread in the appropriate trading forum has been reduced to create-and-forget, it's stupid to have to leave the game, hit the web, and create a thread in a forum. Also, it's stupid to have to leave the game, hit the web, and search for items that have been put up for trade.

Second, anyone that trades that is not using the one of the trade tools is at a distinct disadvantage. With the current trade tools being as sophisticated as they are, listing items for trade is as easy as: assigning desired tab-based prices, dropping salable items into the appropriate tabs, and responding to any offers. As a seller, once everything is configured, your only interrupted game-time is the time you take to drop salable items into the appropriate tabs, responding to offers, and making the trade.

People on the side of the fence saying this auction house style trading will ruin POE, I have news for you. It already exists, and as such, should be completely built into the game so everyone can use it and ease the annoyances of having to setup and configure 3rd party tools to sell and having to leave the game to search for buys.

For the record, I have never gotten into trading. The hoops to do so were too annoying. But with the way things are now, I may jump into the arena. My main peeve had always been no good way to sell. Now though, with a bit of setup, selling is simple-stupid once you have it configured.

Thats the thing though, the barrier and player required interaction is what keeps the system in check. An AH\BO house typically indicates a system in which player interaction isn't required, no "my ho" and slight inconvenience, no bartering for a better price, its simply put money in XX and get item in XX. That isn't a good idea for PoE.

I've advocated before for adding the current system into the game, but really its not necessary. Yes for new players it sucks, but if they are willing to learn and spend a few min to setup shop it really is EASY to sell without work. The drop and go system for b\o with tabs is amazing.

The "leaving the game" thing is going to happen for poe. Want to look up what gems quality bonus is? Leave game, want to search for an item, leave game, what to know what the map boss of Shrine is, leave game. It simply isn't efficient to add all the information in the game.

If your running PoE on a system that cannot be alt\tabbed then you are likely running PoE on a system that is preforming terribly. I honestly don't mind leaving the game for certain things, the "inconvenience" it provides seems to keep a nice balance on the "why bothers"

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Galtrovan wrote:

Assign stash tabs to be used for item sales with the game instead of a 3rd party tool, yes. Assign buyout pricing to said stash tabs within the game instead of a 3rd party tool, yes. Search for items to buy within the game instead of 3rd party website, yes. Add a "buy now" button to the interface to allow trading without player interaction, NO WAY. Once you search for and find the item, whether in-game or 3rd party website, you should have to contact the player within the game and trade via the trade window.

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Cyzax wrote:

In a game where items don't get 'used up' while being used, having an easy exchange of them is a bad, bad idea.

When items don't get 'used up', and are easily transferable, the good ones stay in the economy (most of them forever). A few leave when a player stops playing, but a lot stay.

This means that the level for what is a 'good' item continuously goes up since their number will continue to grow. After a while, you'll never find anything 'good' yourself, as the level for what is 'good' has gone so high that statistically you'll never find one.

This is why auction houses in a game like this is a very, VERY bad idea, because it destroys the most basic reward the game gives you, the joy of finding something 'good'.

And since the level of 'good' goes up, GGG would have to keep balancing upwards. Otherwise the game would become too easy. This means that not only would you not find anything 'good' yourself, you'd also never find anything that would be even 'useful'.

D3 showed why an auction house is a bad, bad, BAD idea. GGG hopefully learned from that...

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Manator wrote:

You're afraid of AH? Nobody wants AH, poe.xyz is NOT AH and it works, so why we shouldn't have this implemented?