GGG Please Answer Our CI Concerns

^ you did not play CI, yet you claim some things with severely broken English.

Also, I'm not convinced by

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Pure ES and one spam skill builds wont worck, invest loot in defences and finde a party to tank or get even more defences.

part even a little bit.

fun fact

position 24 tempest ladder: lvl98 CI witch

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Real_Wolf wrote:

I am so glad that we have made GR not work with CI, it never should have.

It doesn't? That'd be pretty awkward if two nodes right next to each other that scream "synergy!" suddenly stopped working together.

Life Leech nerf affects life builds as much as CI. I'm happy they nerfed it, because it simply made the game too easy. Now we actually have to think about our defenses.

ES is NOT life. Therefor it shouldn't have the same mechanics. ES is a huge buffer (I have 11k and no piece of gear is above 3ex) which you have to combine with some other defenses (I have enfeeble, some shield block and cast when stunned frostwall/cold snap and good regen). Therefor I can take a big beating before dying. When things get really hot, you have to get out and let the recharge do its work. That's the main feature of ES and that's what you have to play with.

If you don't like the recharge mechanic and you want to use potions, then I guess CI is not for you and you should simply play a life build. Adding ES potions would destroy its uniqueness heavily.

I think CI is still strong for ranged casters and that makes sense as ES is INT based. I'm happy the days of more melee then caster CI are over, BR was just too strong. It should be a good caster choice, which it is now, not a pure substitute for life that acts almost entirely the same way.

I dont know, i think the CI nerfs were justified because of how powerful CI has been.

I think GGG is trying to make CI an EHP build but the problem is the lack of mitigation and the consistent damage. Basically, using Energy Shield how it was probably originally meant to be used, taking a bunch of hits and when you get low, you get out and recharge.

CI, VP, Ghost Reaver was broken, anyone who says otherwise is in denial. It still is rather broken, instant leech mechanically speaking is a terrible game mechanic, leech itself is balanced around the fact that you can stack it and leech rate, and Vaal Pact.

I think itd be in GGGs best interest to make CI play that way (avoid damage/run to recharge), but the lack of mitigation choices and the problem of consistent damage make that difficult.

Spell Casters right now, CI or not, need something to mitigate damage. MOM isnt cutting it, Block isnt really a choice when theres no block nodes near Witch at all (Youve got 2% spell block and then Mind Barrier which is 5% additional block). On a typical spell caster shield thats like 27% chance to block.

Defenses from shields affect ES obviously but like say your shield is a 200 ES, id say thats fair for a mediocre shield. 40% of that is 80. Compared to an armour shield where its easy to get 1500+, which would be an additional 600 armour, which is equal to about 4%~ or soo physical mitigation (which is obviously better than 80 EHP).

Block Jewels only have 1% block chance on them now i think, which means even if you take a bunch of jewel nodes around the witch area, its only like 4-5% extra block chance which isnt significant with such a low block chance (thats like 32%), etc, etc. Rumis becomes mandatory.

Lots of issues.

CI is absolutely useless. I had to respec my CoC to Life in warbands after trying hard with CI and only getting permastunned and frozen all the time. Cast on stun + cold snap + life leech did not help at all.

This keystone is just a useless joke.

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Perq wrote:

^ you did not play CI, yet you claim some things with severely broken English.

Also, I'm not convinced by

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Pure ES and one spam skill builds wont worck, invest loot in defences and finde a party to tank or get even more defences.

part even a little bit.

Who say i have not played CI? I got almost only CI characters before i started playig life build. Problems you have are more in line whit what you consider to CI should be like.
I have from start played CI whit ZO, armor/block build and you probably only used leech so ofcors you got problems now. I chosed ES becouse of restorative ability and you chose it becouse on masive effective HP and leech sinergy whit same, if you cant finde what you loking in ES then trie whit life.

Maybe someone said it already - but the benefit of CI in addition to chaos immunity is that you have to spend less points on "pool", so can use more for offense and auras etc, and that you can get a higher pool.

Not arguing against CI being in a really bad spot.

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Xtermination wrote:

Not having problems staying alife in maps with MOM + 2300 Mana + 7k ES, Only problem is I cannot do reflect maps.

Too bad MoM doesn't work with energy shield because your life pool is protected by ES -> you don't take any dmg to life.

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laburnum wrote:

you should read this thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1171890
High ES is still the best defense in game

hm let's see. The only 900 es chest atm on WB on poe trade is 100 ex. Shavronne's revelation, another 30 ex. The other pieces are pretty good too and go for minimum 5 ex up to a lot more. So your proof that ES is the best defense in-game is by basing on the equivalent of a build made with literally mirrored gear. Sounds legit. Reminds me of aura builds saying they have no problem maintaining 5-6 auras at the same time and doing content.