Pointless argument about chance and randomness

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Deccode wrote:

It's random as long as the outcome is not predictable would be a really nice say to the casino owner punching his diamond ring in your face lol.

A biased outcome is still unpredictable -> random :/ , assuming outcome < 1 probability. Fair/equal probability is ALSO random.

There is a difference there, but both can be considered 'random'. Now I'm wondering why we're even having this discussion.

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Deccode wrote:

A bias outside of its nature. I don't care if the result is still unpredictable. It is manipulated and not random.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Deccode wrote:

A bias outside of its nature. I don't care if the result is still unpredictable. It is manipulated and not random.

Then what would YOU call it. A fixed outcome? I would like to hear how you would define such an outcome.


Get struck by lightning -> random

Wear a rather large antenna on your head and not struck by lightning -> random






(I love kittens)

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Deccode wrote:

I would call it a manipulated event which is most likely to happen than in a random clean state.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Deccode wrote:

I would call it a manipulated event which is most likely to happen than in a random clean state.

A manipulated event in which an outcome is MORE likely to happen than in an equally distributed event is well...

I give up.


Kittens.



Wait a second... was I trolled for about 10 pages?

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Deccode wrote:

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Deccode wrote:

I would call it a manipulated event which is most likely to happen than in a random clean state.

A manipulated event in which an outcome is MORE likely to happen than in an equally distributed event is well...

I give up.


Kittens.



Wait a second... was I trolled for about 10 pages?

Well call it however you want it's not that I would care enough for that part.
A manipulated event which has an outcome equals for me to an manipulated outcome.

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mibuwolf wrote:

Wait... the outcome isn't manipulated. No one touches the outcome. You are a good troll T_T.

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Deccode wrote:

Holy shit for the 5th time I do agree with this because randomness will always tend to one side or to one number or something over anything. The point where we do not agree is when it is manipulated by something which is not randomness itself. A bias outside of its nature. I don't care if the result is still unpredictable. It is manipulated and not random.

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Sickness wrote:

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Deccode wrote:

Holy shit for the 5th time I do agree with this because randomness will always tend to one side or to one number or something over anything. The point where we do not agree is when it is manipulated by something which is not randomness itself. A bias outside of its nature. I don't care if the result is still unpredictable. It is manipulated and not random.

If it's not random, then what is it?
How does it not fall under the definitions of random that we have given you?