Pointless argument about chance and randomness

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Kreos wrote:

We are absolutely talking random selection here versus probability. You are arguing that the chance of slots/links to be picked is randomly selected. I'm arguing that it isn't randomly selected, it is based off biased probability selections not randomness.

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If you show favor to one side it's not random, at least not random enough to be called random.
Game is favoring less links than more links.

No, we defining what random means. Random can be biased. If it isn't considered random, then what is it? I certainly cannot predict the outcome.

It can be biased by on it's own. If you have a scale from 1 to 10 and you do something where in 1000 times doing something the number will be close to 5 but it is going to 1 and going to 10 from time to time. If you manipulate so that it goes to 1 more times than intended on it's own it's not random. Fact.

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Kreos wrote:

We are absolutely talking random selection here versus probability. You are arguing that the chance of slots/links to be picked is randomly selected. I'm arguing that it isn't randomly selected, it is based off biased probability selections not randomness.

That is it based off probability selections does not make it non-random.
If it wasn't random you could predict what the next jeweler would make. But you can't do that, can you?


This should make it perfectly clear:

-Randomness
2. Mathematics & Statistics Of or relating to a type of circumstance or event that is described by a probability distribution.

You and Deccode are contradicting that definition.

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Deccode wrote:

Is can be biased by on it's own. If you have a scale from 1 to 10 and you do something where in 1000 times doing something the number will be close to 5 but it is going to 1 and going to 10 from time to time. If you manipulate so that it goes to 1 more times than intended on it's own it's not random. Fact.

Not random = predictable outcome, yes?

I cannot predict the outcome and be right with every attempt.


edit: can't believe we're 10 pages into this 'debate'. Figured it would've ended with just silence after frustration.

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mibuwolf wrote:

edit: can't believe we're 10 pages into this 'debate'

It's baffling.

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Kreos wrote:

Again you're still using your own defined meaning of random in that something is random ONLY if the outcome is not predictable which isn't a statistical definition of random. That's a commonly used definition in day to day life, not through measure of statistics.

You can't say that the outcome when using a jewelers orb is not random because you found one definition of randomness that didn't apply.

You must understand that the terms "random selection" or "random sample" does not dictate the meaning of the word random.

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Sickness wrote:

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Kreos wrote:

Again you're still using your own defined meaning of random in that something is random ONLY if the outcome is not predictable which isn't a statistical definition of random. That's a commonly used definition in day to day life, not through measure of statistics.

You can't say that the outcome when using a jewelers orb is not random because you found one definition of randomness that didn't apply.

You must understand that the terms "random selection" or "random sample" does not dictate the meaning of the word random.

"It's random as long as the outcome is not predictable, doesn't matter under which circumstances"; would be a really nice claim to the casino owner punching his diamond ring in your face lol.

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Deccode wrote:

It's random as long as the outcome is not predictable would be a really nice say to the casino owner punching his diamond ring in your face lol.

A biased outcome is still unpredictable -> random :/ , assuming outcome < 1 probability. Fair/equal probability is ALSO random.

There is a difference there, but both can be considered 'random'. Now I'm wondering why we're even having this discussion.


You believe you are right and will debate with us until we admit that 'random' is ONLY in the case of equal outcomes, but that's not going to happen because I believe it isn't the truth. So... good day.

I'm getting tired of reading this debate maybe we should just all start being silent for now you guys probably aren't going to start agreeing.

TL;DR STFU! (Or atleast go and talk about something that ISN'T Randomness plz)

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BisnessPirate wrote:

I'm getting tired of reading this debate maybe we should just all start being silent for now you guys probably aren't going to start agreeing.

TL;DR STFU! (Or atleast go and talk about something that ISN'T Randomness plz)

kittens.