New Skill Development - Vigilant Strike

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s3t wrote:

Vigilant + endurance charge on melee stun + melee splash + multistrike = sick 4 link :D

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Nurvus wrote:

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Weißenberg wrote:

As a melee-only player I'd like to add my two cents to the discussion.

I definitely like the concept of Fortify. I also agree that linking the buff to an existing movement skill would be hard to implement. But, including Fortify in a seperate melee skill can result in the whole idea becoming a major failure. And here's why:

As already announced Enduring Cry will be no longer triggered by CwDT meaning melee characters will now have to cast Enduring Cry and hit with Vigilant Strike in order to benefit from both buffs. And that is contrary to improving melee survivability as the prep time is going to take too much time in order to be useful. Also, one might feel that we're being pushed back from a partially automated playing style into some kind of do-it-yourself scenario. Which takes away a lot of fun. A support gem shouldn't be an option either which I'll explain later.

And therefore my suggestion would be to create a Fortify keystone.

Fortify
Enemies you hit with a melee attack grant the following buff:
Cannot evade enemy attacks,
Reduces damage taken by 25%,
Reduces movement speed by 10%.

This would make much more sense, you're fortifying yourself, so you're slow, attack-prone, but you take far less damage. Also this would make the buff available for generic armor based melee chracters, because as I see it now the main beneficiary of Fortify is going to be evasion/dodge based crit dagger Shadow/Ranger.

Of course, there's still a chance such a keystone will be implemented as you said you're working on it, but you should definitely scrap the Vigilant Strike if you don't want to the already overpowered group of characters to abuse one more skill.

So you want to nerf evasion builds for no reason?
That makes no sense at all.

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Jedi_blr wrote:

Fortify need to be only 2h mele buff at all, cos only 2h dont have block/spell block or +max res from shields . So its so dumb to do this skill open for all mele hits. GGG you will regret it in future.

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Puf_Alb wrote:

The skill is too OP. Instead of "cooldown can be BYPASSED by expanding an endurance charge", change it to "cooldown can be REDUCED by 2 seconds by expanding an endurance charge"...

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but with this gem we loose immortal call, so reduce cooldown with endurance charge is true

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Weißenberg wrote:

As a melee-only player I'd like to add my two cents to the discussion.

I definitely like the concept of Fortify. I also agree that linking the buff to an existing movement skill would be hard to implement. But, including Fortify in a seperate melee skill can result in the whole idea becoming a major failure. And here's why:

As already announced Enduring Cry will be no longer triggered by CwDT meaning melee characters will now have to cast Enduring Cry and hit with Vigilant Strike in order to benefit from both buffs. And that is contrary to improving melee survivability as the prep time is going to take too much time in order to be useful. Also, one might feel that we're being pushed back from a partially automated playing style into some kind of do-it-yourself scenario. Which takes away a lot of fun. A support gem shouldn't be an option either which I'll explain later.

And therefore my suggestion would be to create a Fortify keystone.

Fortify
Enemies you hit with a melee attack grant the following buff:
Cannot evade enemy attacks,
Reduces damage taken by 25%,
Reduces movement speed by 10%.

This would make much more sense, you're fortifying yourself, so you're slow, attack-prone, but you take far less damage. Also this would make the buff available for generic armor based melee chracters, because as I see it now the main beneficiary of Fortify is going to be evasion/dodge based crit dagger Shadow/Ranger.

Of course, there's still a chance such a keystone will be implemented as you said you're working on it, but you should definitely scrap the Vigilant Strike if you don't want to the already overpowered group of characters to abuse one more skill.