Kickstarter Campaign for PoE's Optional Self Found League!

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McHuberts wrote:
I am a casual player and I hate trading the way it is. Too much work, too much chance to get scammed, because I do not know the prices of items.
That is why I play SF in standard. Just for the fun of the game. I seldom read the forums, because they are ruled by all those uber-players talking about a game that I do not know throwing around exalts I never have seen in my 2,5 years of play......oooh sorry, I had one in closed beta before the wipe. Perhaps I have some exalts worth of stuff, but I do not care, because I play my own game and love it that way. Trying to beat the system, not by trading and partying, but by doing it all by myself.

I also think that a SFL would justify itself purely for the reason that it will bring players together that are now drowned in leagues where they can only close their eyes for the community and do their own thing.

I fully support the campaign for a separate SFL.


You have to negotiate prices, there are no prices to know! Thats whats wrong with the trading part of the game, people believe in this ratio thing.

Guy A: Sells you a shavs for 50 ex

Guy B: Sells you a shavs for 100 ex

Guy C: Sells you a shavs for 150 ex

This ^ is called a free market. Dont like it, dont trade, but dont call it a scam just because you dont like the price.
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DirkAustin wrote:
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rinleezwins wrote:
SFL = no RMT. Yes please.


No RMT? Really? You think RMTers wouldnt sell accounts for ladder spots and such?


Account trading has no influence on a SFL's economy, trading currency does.
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rinleezwins wrote:
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DirkAustin wrote:
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rinleezwins wrote:
SFL = no RMT. Yes please.


No RMT? Really? You think RMTers wouldnt sell accounts for ladder spots and such?


Account trading has no influence on a SFL's economy, trading currency does.


A SFL doesnt have an economy as there would be no trading. RMT would affect the ladder though. Someone with bot farmed orbs and items could climb the ladder easier than someone who didnt buy the account from a bot farming RMTer.
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DirkAustin wrote:


A SFL doesnt have an economy as there would be no trading. RMT would affect the ladder though. Someone with bot farmed orbs and items could climb the ladder easier than someone who didnt buy the account from a bot farming RMTer.


Nope. Because bot accounts would be so rare, they'd be easily sniffed out and flagged before they became much of anything.

Why would anyone bot a league where there's no money to be made? Botters would choose to plunder the easier money leagues every time.
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grant_m wrote:
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DirkAustin wrote:


A SFL doesnt have an economy as there would be no trading. RMT would affect the ladder though. Someone with bot farmed orbs and items could climb the ladder easier than someone who didnt buy the account from a bot farming RMTer.


Nope. Because bot accounts would be so rare, they'd be easily sniffed out and flagged before they became much of anything.

Why would anyone bot a league where there's no money to be made? Botters would choose to plunder the easier money leagues every time.


There are even bots in D3 still so no matter how much of self found a game is doesnt change the incentive to RMT. They would have to add a pricetag on account creation if they really want to curb RMT and redeem that pricetag in effects after account creation that way RMTers wouldnt pop up acacount after account.

Right now people say x guy has y items in his shop, he gotta be a RMTer. If a SFL would exist people would look at the top ladder and think "that guy had to RMT an account with a shavs on it and 100 ex to get there". Both isnt very appealing but a SFL cant be about a ladder as its as RMT infested as the regular one.
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DirkAustin wrote:
There are even bots in D3 still so no matter how much of self found a game is doesnt change the incentive to RMT. They would have to add a pricetag on account creation if they really want to curb RMT and redeem that pricetag in effects after account creation that way RMTers wouldnt pop up acacount after account.

Right now people say x guy has y items in his shop, he gotta be a RMTer. If a SFL would exist people would look at the top ladder and think "that guy had to RMT an account with a shavs on it and 100 ex to get there". Both isnt very appealing but a SFL cant be about a ladder as its as RMT infested as the regular one.


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Boem wrote:

Thx for bringing this to my attention, this is indeed a fair point.

But even then, you must acknowledge that in a hc setting the effect of this issue would be greatly reduced?
Bot's would eventually die and you would buy what exactly? An account with a single item worth almost nothing.(since there is no economic presence the item has inherent value of its core stats, but nothing else)

In a hardcore setting i don't think this would be extremely profitable. Given the choice i think they would rather reside in an economy driven ladder where market manipulation is a viable means to gain wealth.

Peace,

-Boem-


Just saying.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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DirkAustin wrote:
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grant_m wrote:
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DirkAustin wrote:


A SFL doesnt have an economy as there would be no trading. RMT would affect the ladder though. Someone with bot farmed orbs and items could climb the ladder easier than someone who didnt buy the account from a bot farming RMTer.


Nope. Because bot accounts would be so rare, they'd be easily sniffed out and flagged before they became much of anything.

Why would anyone bot a league where there's no money to be made? Botters would choose to plunder the easier money leagues every time.


There are even bots in D3 still so no matter how much of self found a game is doesnt change the incentive to RMT. They would have to add a pricetag on account creation if they really want to curb RMT and redeem that pricetag in effects after account creation that way RMTers wouldnt pop up acacount after account.


It's different in D3 as the top loot is literally RAINING from the sky, the player base is much larger, AND there's no alternative trading league for the botters to bot.

Next!

Spoiler
I'll get a cookie out of you yet!
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grant_m wrote:
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DirkAustin wrote:
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grant_m wrote:


Nope. Because bot accounts would be so rare, they'd be easily sniffed out and flagged before they became much of anything.

Why would anyone bot a league where there's no money to be made? Botters would choose to plunder the easier money leagues every time.


There are even bots in D3 still so no matter how much of self found a game is doesnt change the incentive to RMT. They would have to add a pricetag on account creation if they really want to curb RMT and redeem that pricetag in effects after account creation that way RMTers wouldnt pop up acacount after account.


It's different in D3 as the top loot is literally RAINING from the sky, the player base is much larger, AND there's no alternative trading league for the botters to bot.

Next!

Spoiler
I'll get a cookie out of you yet!


I have yet to find a decent legendary but oh well.

Spoiler
Here have a pity cookie for now. :P
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DirkAustin wrote:


Right now people say x guy has y items in his shop, he gotta be a RMTer. If a SFL would exist people would look at the top ladder and think "that guy had to RMT an account with a shavs on it and 100 ex to get there". Both isnt very appealing but a SFL cant be about a ladder as its as RMT infested as the regular one.


You actually think that it will be possible for 1 account to accumulate 100 ex? lol come on man.

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grant_m wrote:
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DirkAustin wrote:


Right now people say x guy has y items in his shop, he gotta be a RMTer. If a SFL would exist people would look at the top ladder and think "that guy had to RMT an account with a shavs on it and 100 ex to get there". Both isnt very appealing but a SFL cant be about a ladder as its as RMT infested as the regular one.


You actually think that it will be possible for 1 account to accumulate 100 ex? lol come on man.



It could happen, sadly 100 ex might allow you to craft a single piece of gear with double resist and a "fair" amount of life on it.

Spoiler
:')


Also Dirk you seem to be dismissing my post's on the mater, any reason why that is, or just can't be arsed?

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes

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